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« on: October 05, 2018, 04:19 AM »

I have a beautiful WSIK 2003 limited edition Prism 3-D. (I think it was a real small run, like 10 kites.) I'd LIKE to fly it more but having a hard time doing much more than axels. The mass is so low that it's super hard to do much more than that.

First Question: What do you do to trick kites with such low mass? It's hard to put the kite in a fade for example. (I also have a Nirvana WW that doesn't see a lot of air time because my low wind skills aren't that great. I'd like to find more time to fly though.)

Second Question: Am I better off posting it for sale to someone who would enjoy it more if low wind tricking is problematic? (I've had it for probably 8 years or more and flown it a handful of times.)

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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2018, 05:52 AM »

I bought a 3D many years ago that had been modified to help make it easier to trick. It had an extra pair of standoffs and two small magnets (1/4x1/8) on each wingtip to add a little weight.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2018, 09:02 AM »

I'm in a similar WTH with my Pro Dancer sul. Super excited when I got the kite. From 0 to 12 mph it seems to have 3 different characteristics. When I first tried 50' lines a side gust blew it out of the air and a whisker punctured the sail. Lost confidence and have struggled to get it back. PD is not a trick kite but there's videos of folks doing some amazing things with it. Recently I've been getting competent on 50' lines in 0 to 3. Some of that 1st flight thrill on the PD is coming back. Started to sell it many times and have offered it for trade several more.Damn thing keeps hanging around. It's the kite that has taught me the most on loading and unloading the sail. Coming to the conclusion I need to keep it.Kite has a lot more to teach me. The kite that I'm pretty set on getting next for 0+ is the Paul DeBakker designed ITW Echo.The other choice is the Amazing Outdoor but it's pricier. FWIW I think you should keep your 3D. Getting something different or some minor mods might give you a whole new approach on controlling the kite.You've had it for 8+ years. Moving it on might be like losing a toe or something.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2018, 11:28 AM »

Thanks for the suggestion, Charles! The 3-D has two stand offs on each side. There are other holes to move the stand offs further in or further out except I don't know what the different configurations might mean.

How did you attach the magnets and how do they affect it's trick-ability?
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 03:51 PM »

Both kites mentioned are very old designs from the early to mid ‘90s,  pretty much dating back to before kites did a lot of tricks. Both CAN do a lot more than axels but they are not the easiest kites to do many tricks on.

The 3D, which came out in ‘96 is very small, which makes it difficult to handle as things move quickly and a very gentle touch is required.

The Pro Dancer came out in maybe ‘93? It’s the opposite. Very large for a super light kite. The  size also makes it challenging.

There are some more modern SUL kites that are trickier, though often not quite as easy to keep in the air as these two. Generally characteristics that make a kite super floaty and easy to keep in the air in zero wind are lost when a kite is changed to facilitate slack line tricks
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2018, 10:03 AM »

My mistake, there are four magnets per side.


Here is a picture of the extra spreader.


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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 02:34 PM »

Hi Bob,

Well, to start with, please don't sell that beautiful little kite, it's a nice addition, even if you only hang it gently on your den wall. The Prism kite festival editions are great to have.

As others have said, the 3D is from a generation of kites of the past, when the "trick" was sometimes as simple as "hey look, I'm flying a kite and you aren't." It's so small, and so lightly framed, it's a good kite to work on your gentle flying techniques. Sometimes, a kite needs to be danced through a manuever, instead of the heavier kite style of throwing your kite into a trick and catching it afterward. (that's how I think of slack line, anyway, throw and catch) The 3D can be faded, but the easier approach is half axle to fade. Gently pull it into the fade when it completely rotates away. 540s are possible and fun, but don't approach them as if to "pop" it into rotation, again, gently pull it through, accelerating your pull as rotation starts.

If it's not fun on that day, add more beer.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2018, 11:53 PM »

Well said Lee.  Older kites, especially prisms, are a different from most of todays kites in that they actually have to be flown through tricks.  First off you will need smooth sweeping pulls, the less pop to your input the better as you need to control the amount of slack and not shake the wind out of the sail.  On a SUL it really is a dance like Lee said.  You have to lead the kite, in a sense tracing on the ground what you want the kite to do as you walk if your doing a 360 or horizontal pass and with your arms if you doing up and overs.  When doing axels in low to no wind you don't give full slack after the input as the tension in the line helps pull the kite around and at the right moment you transfer tension from the input hand to the off hand to guide the kite full circle.  It's hard to do and harder to explain but once you get the feel it becomes easy.  Dodd Gross has some of the best indoor tutorials out there that easily transfer to outdoor low wind.  I've been working on 0-2 flying for about a year now and it still hasn't become easy but it has gotten easier.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 06:00 AM »

...The 3-D has two stand offs on each side. There are other holes to move the stand offs further in or further out except I don't know what the different configurations might mean.
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The 3D kite field card on the Prism site has some instructions on the kite, including a photo illustrating standoff positions: it shows 4 positions for the inside standoff, with the innermost hole being for indoor, and the outermost for stronger winds. The suggested default to start at is the second one out from the spine. This may help in tuning for your conditions and desired flight characteristics. Experiment!

Fun little kite -- I still have a similar sized Buena Vista X4i that I occasionally dig out. I found larger kites are slower, generally.

The Field Card can be found here:

https://prismkites.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/3D-Field-Card.pdf

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 09:30 AM »

Thanks, everyone! It's really a beautiful kite. I'll have to put more time into it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2018, 08:45 PM »

Got to fly today with some folks from the Rocky Mountain Kite Fliers. First time flying with others.Well worth the trip.Don't think winds went over 4. 0 to 2 most of the time. Grass was real damp and it didn't take long for the kites to get pretty wet. Couple Rev B ul kites, my Tekken sul and a AC sul. Flexifoil 4m rage and some big ass power kite I didn't get near. Yeah I'm a chicken.At this stage of the game that thing was a little scary to just look at.Other kites didn't come out of their sleeves.My Pro Dancer and a Sky Burner Aura were the only kites that could stay in the air consistently. Only got to fly the Aura for about ten minutes. What a awesome ten minutes. Fell in lust with that kite as soon as I launched it. Once again this kite stuff has got my head spinning.Which way do I go George. Which way do I go. If they still made the Aura I'd be ordering one tomorrow. The way 2 of those guys flew my PD made me feel a little pathetic  Sad. I'll buck up though.
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