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« on: November 25, 2018, 09:28 AM »

Now that Bambi and I have our first Sun Oak kite...

Does anyone have info past what is on their website?

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 10:35 AM »

Jim Nicholls in New Zealand loves his giant delta conyne, which so happens to be very similar to the one in your pic; perhaps you have seen his mini review and video:

https://jimskites.co.nz/kite-reviews/sun-oak-giant-delta-conyne/

https://www.youtube.com/embed/tCHUFdd0kzg

I have several Sun Oak deltas and a DC in my single line bag that I really must dig out again -- leftovers from a previous life.

The kites are built like tanks, but fly well as I recall.

Always found it kinda neat that wood was used in some of the spars.

Not much info to add atm but will follow along with rekindled interest...

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2018, 02:34 PM »

what are you looking to learn?

basswood square spars
fiberglass spreader
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2018, 03:17 PM »

Thanks for the review and video.

This one is all composite rods.

Any idea on year of origin?

There is some writing with city of origin,

but no date.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2018, 05:14 PM »

I am not aware of the 14' DC ever being all fiberglass (Sun Oaks only framed the DCs and deltas in basswood and fiberglass, no carbon here!).
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2018, 05:50 PM »

I picked up a bunch of Sun Oaks via an estate sale back in 2012.  I sold three (or four) of the DCs, and some of the deltas.  They were all sparred in basswood, no carbon or fiberglass.  I also got some delta sails that did not have spars, so I tracked down the original owner of Sun Oaks to get the specs on the spars.  He said he gave up kite making when his fabric and spar vendors stopped selling in smaller quantities - he was going to have too much money tied up in raw material inventory just to make a few more kites.  I never got around to putting spars in the delta sails, it's on the to-do list, but there are a lot of things ahead of that . . . .

The one you have looks like one I had back then.  Here are some others:



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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2018, 05:52 PM »

And a couple more . . . I do really like these kites.  I regret selling the all-black one on the ground in the previous post. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2018, 06:00 PM »

I used the word composite merely to mean, not wood.

Fiberglass is a composite too. I have only held the

rods used in the 3 verticals, not the leading edges.

All the rods feel like non-tapered rods with vinyl end caps.

The rods I could see are quite stiff, black and smooth.

I don't know if the frame that came with the kite is

stock or not. The spreader is new as I ordered it from

Jon Trennepohl. The kite was sold without a spreader

(I was told that the kite needed a spreader before purchasing).

I had the spreader made at 82" with nocks so that the rods

are full length, and if the kite ever stretches, the sail can be

pulled taut.

The kites look beautiful, thanks for all the input.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2018, 05:12 AM »

Now we just need to start up a debate on how to pronounce, "conyne".
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2018, 05:55 AM »

I was told it was pronounced:

KO-nine.
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2018, 06:57 AM »

Now we just need to start up a debate on how to pronounce, "conyne".

Start? More like continue perhaps! Wink

Here was a 1996 rec.kites thread that was contributed to by a number of people, including Gary Engvall, who said:

"First reaction - "Oh no - here we go again....." The Great Conyne
Pronounciation Debate...

Okay - I have heard Co-nine, Co-neen, Conan, even Coin. Which is why I
wimp out and pronunce it "French Military", unless it is one of those
delta derivatives - which I then call a "Dee Cee"

My pronounciation of choice is the one I learned from Ansel Toney of
Farmland, Indiana, who actually knew Silas J. Conyne, and always said it
"Con' ya". (pronounced like Cognac, omitting the final "c".)

The word that came from the left coast last time around: Kite Guru Corey
Jensen posted that the pornounciation varies even among descendants of
Silas J. ...

Take your pick.

Good heavens;
gary
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May need to copy and paste this whole string to make it work:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.kites/1WM5IPOvL7E/overview


I was told it was pronounced:

KO-nine.

I'm going with this one, which is the way I learned it. Keeping an open mind, however Wink

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2018, 05:26 PM »

I was told it was pronounced:

KO-nine.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2018, 11:08 AM »

The WayBack Machine was useful in finding this GWTW page from 2001. There were more rudimentary references on the old GWTW store site going back to 1997 or so. The pic in the store page was missing.

Of assistance in a viewpoint on pronunciation. ("co nine" suggested there, too.)

But the page also has some specs which may be of interest, such as: Fiber epoxy spars with Basswood cross spar, all with ferrules.

(Hope this image works. Trying it a couple of ways and will clean up.)




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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2018, 07:31 PM »

Broke the spreader at the external ferrule contact

ridge with the O.D. of the spar. My fault. Wind was

gusting into the low 20s. Shortened spars to match,

smoothed inner ridge of metal ferrule, glued end of

spreader shut. I should have put an internal ferrule,

but thought about that after glued. Photos taken with

Sony RX100 pocket camera. ( I was a little too close

on the 2nd shot. )
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2018, 08:25 PM »

Looks to me like Sun Oaks is back in business.  I'm not going to post a link because I don't think they are a sponsor here, but for more information, they do have a store web site (with a copyright date of 2018), with phone numbers and email addresses.  I'll leave it up to the moderators regarding whether or not it's OK to post their contact information.  I found them with a google search (the store was not the first result in my search for DC specs).  I may give them a call as I have several delta sails without spars.  The store site says the 14 foot and 10 foot DCs are sparred in basswood - no composites mentioned. 
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