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« on: September 20, 2009, 05:32 PM »

I mean what hand movements are required moreso than the actual aerodynamics of it. I have tried and tried but I cannot get either of my kites to stall.

I start with slight slack on the upper line and then snap my lower wrist, then give instant slack to the lines. Then my kite usually twists up and falls rather ungracefully to the ground.

I have watched the video's on how to do the stall, but dangit if I can figure it out.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2009, 05:50 PM »

0 - fly across
1 - pop the top while giving a wee bit of slack (I'd call it more of a lack of tension) to the bottom
2 - immediately pop the bottom (a bit harder than you did the top).  This second input knocks the wind out of the sail in order to stop the kite.
3 - move forward to hold the stall.

1,2 are  done rapid-fire, pa-pow, so fast it should feel like a single move.  The speed is more important - you don't have to hammer on the kite.  It doesn't take a hard pull/pop to stall.

The best thing is to go and watch someone do it or have them show you how if you can.   If not, then the Prism and Dodd videos cover these moves and others - I found them helpful.

Good Luck!

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2009, 05:57 PM »

well that makes more sense. I was not really popping the top hand but just kind of giving it slack.

I will try that tomorrow, hopefully.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2009, 06:28 PM »

I have entirely too much time on my hands:

http://www.sportkiteflyer.com/Videos/Randyg_Snap_Stall_Short.wmv

I think of a Snap Stall as a combo turn with slack. Good luck with it.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2009, 06:49 PM »

well that helps as well. Awesome.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2009, 09:09 PM »

I have entirely too much time on my hands:


nah your just a good guy randy thanx for all that you do ko
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2009, 12:10 AM »

A very underrated skill!

A good way to slow down the process when you first start to learn...

Fly across the window then make an upward turn.  As the kite turns upwards, step forward (and if necessary, keep stepping forward).  The kite will stall, pointing upwards.  Step back to get the kite moving again.  The turn is easier to stall if you do a push turn rather than a pull turn.  In other words, make the kite turn upwards by pushing your lower hand forwards, rather than pulling the upper hand towards you.

Practice this from each direction until you can stall it where and when you want to.  This ISN'T a snap stall, it is just a stall.  But the ability to stall with good control is a major part of learning the snap stall.

Snap stalls are done pretty much the same way, but faster.  Also, the snap stall uses a combination of pull turn (pop) with the upper hand, AND push with the lower hand in quick succession.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2009, 12:28 AM »

setting the bridle heavier (nose back) helps with stalls too
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2009, 01:44 AM »

and the higher the wind, the faster you'll need to be moving forward.

so say for example your kite will stall and stay in one place, to use diving parlance, neutrally buoyant, in 4mph wind and the wind is blowing at 10mph, then you need to be moving forward at 6mph to stall the kite.

so in other words, move quickly.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2009, 10:07 AM »

I have entirely too much time on my hands:

 
Randy, you having too much extra time is usually a good thing for many of us!

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 07:05 PM »

well, thanks to all who responded here, I got about 4 good solid snap stalls today in 10mph winds. Had some others which were not so solid, but I am getting the hang of it.

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 11:55 PM »

congratulations! great to hear of your success.

the snap stall leads to one of my all time favorite tricks, the side slide. still love 'em, still do 'em.
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