Bridle measurement Hawaiian team kite

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[jambo101]

The kite just doesnt fly well, in a good wind it has a tendency to stall when in a tight turn,not sure what to adjust,the horizontal  or the vertical parts of the bridle.If any one has access to the measurements of a well flying Hawaiian Team kite i'll buy the beer next time you are in Montreal

Right now its 3 legged bridle is set up roughly at (give or take a half inch)  from the upper spreader connector to the swivel the length is 19", from the center-t to the swivel the length is 25 1/2", and from the lower spreader connector to the swivel the length is 18".
All spars and bungee end fittings seem  normal.
Thanks
 

[Zeke]

1.I get 20 3/4" from the Upper Leading Edge fitting to the swivel

2. 20 1/4" from upper leading edge to the swivel to swivel

3. 22 3/4"--from the upper leading edge connector to the swivel.

4. 21" from upper leading edge fitting to the swivel

these measurements are for 4 different Hawaiians

I'd go for 20" as a starting point or look for a mark on the bridle and adjust the position of the swivel to match and go from there.

I usually just hold on to the bridle at the attachment point and 'toss it up' to see if the wind will catch it at all.

hope that helps a bit.   looks like you save a few $ on beer  as well so I'll just grab a Fosters out of the fridge and say Salut! Skol! Bon Appetit! and I can't spell the others...

[thief]

btw Jambo:
Most kites will enter a stall after a tight turn.....it is a great way to learn to control the kite in a stalled position.

[jambo101]

1.I get 20 3/4" from the LE to the swivel

2. 20 1/4 from LE to swivel

3. 22 3/4--I think the previous owner flew it in high winds as the swivel is about 2" below the mark.

4. 21"

Thanks Zeke  but as somewhat of a newb i'm not familiar with what your length terminology is referring to (embarassment smilie)  And what is the 21" referring to in number 4
With out a diagram i'd probably understand it in this phraseology=
Top lines to swivel
lower center lines to swivel
Left and right lines to swivel
 Thanks

[kiteking]

Mike Dennis showed me that the bridle/line attachment point should be aprox 0.25 inches from touching the lower edge of the sail when pulled taught from both the upper and lower leading edge connections

 

hope this helps

[Zeke]

I amended the previous info.  I didn't measure anything else as I didn't think it necessary. The measurement from the right lower leading edge connector to the swivel should be the same on either side.  If this line and the swivel are moved up and down, then the angle of attack changes. The line length from the upper leading edge connector to the center-T does not change and should be the same on each side.  the photos look good. I think I'll check the kites against them and see where I stand... 

I still feel I have left out something....... 

 

[jambo101]

kiteking   i notice in your photos the lines coming down seem to form a 90 degree angle with the lines coming from the lower leading edge,is this a good way to assure my bridle is set up correctly?

[Zeke]

went and flew 4 Hawaiians today and lost a whisker in the process. even with all the bridles set slightly different, there was no real difference in 15 mph+ except that one of them flies a little quieter than the others...truly one of the nicer combination's; clouds, wind, sun and  Hawaiians.. having the entire field alone is nice too....

[jambo101]

 Now thats kite flying,these new ultra light kites and all their tricks may have a lot of skill involved but to me it isnt really kite flying as much as a creative way to contol a crash,nothing like a big delta kite snarling through gracefull arcs in the sky...

[kiteking]

kiteking   i notice in your photos the lines coming down seem to form a 90 degree angle with the lines coming from the lower leading edge,is this a good way to assure my bridle is set up correctly?

Sorry for the delay,

Yes, if you pull tight both down and toward the center, the tip of the bridle should be .25 inch short of the edge of the sail

[steve worcester]

(Mind if I butt in?)
I have a team kite that I bought years ago used and question if the bridle is adjusted correctly. The attached photo shows how mine are set. One thing I wonder about is the (19") left edge to swivel is the fixed length line, aside from if I have the other lengths correct.

Also, what effect does making one shorter or longer?

Thanks for your patience with this noob.
I am anxious though 'cause I am taking it to Maui to fly, thought that might be rather fitting.

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[Zeke]

less than 19" and it will pull less in high winds. Somewhere over 20"-21" and it may not fly at all.  I have 4 Hawaiians now set at and around 19"-19 1/2" measured from the upper leading edge connector to the swivel.

there may also be a mark of some kind on the bridle that can be used as a guide line.

[steve worcester]

less than 19" and it will pull less in high winds. Somewhere over 20"-21" and it may not fly at all.....there may also be a mark of some kind on the bridle that can be used as a guide line.

The one vertical (21.5) in the photo? There is a mark, inches down from the spar

[Zeke]

"error, error"...I forgot, while flying them a few days ago I had adjusted the bridles to about 20" from the upper leading edge to the swivel. They flew fine in 15 mph. 

[john.m]

Looks like you got the bridle set up properly Jim !!

That thing flew like a hurricane yesterday.  What thunder !

Now I know why you have those mountain climbing ropes as lines... I popped the lines on the Snapshot 1.4 twice before we left the field at 4:30.  I never would have imagine 150# lines snapping so easily, but they just went 'pop' with no fanfare at all.  Weather Canada reports that the wind was blowing at 26 mph (43 kmh).

It's a wonder that no one ended up taking a dip in that ditch yesterday.

Great stuff.

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