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Author Topic: need help with the Duplex  (Read 3873 times)
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« on: March 14, 2009, 10:07 AM »

ok, so backspin one rotation one way, flic flac, backspin one rotation the other way, repeat as needed.
Sounds simple, right?  The individual elements are easy for me, even the BS cascade.  But putting the flic flac in there just hasn't worked.  On some kites you can get a one rotation back spin and I thought that was the secret, waiting for the kite to stop. Doesn't seem to be so.  And when i wait for the kite to come center in the fade and pull while its rotating I get all out of shape. Any ideas?

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 11:21 AM »

Dave, on the Flic Flac, don't wait my friend...go for it. Watch the BS rotation, time it and hit the Flic Flac. No need to wait on the BS to stop. Even if you did you'd ruin the flow of the trick.

Witness, the Duplex.

Good luck with it! Tongue

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2009, 11:38 AM »

Sweeet!  Thanks man, that's very helpful.  Tutorial rocks as always.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 12:36 AM »

i like to do a slightly different version, wherein you backspin twice each time... and, instead of flic-flacs, you do 360 degree flic-flacs.  Doing everything double is twice as much fun!   Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 12:42 PM »

i like to do a slightly different version, wherein you backspin twice each time... and, instead of flic-flacs, you do 360 degree flic-flacs.  Doing everything double is twice as much fun!   Smiley

This from the guy who brought us the jitter-bug technique? 

I find the duplex hard...so I call. 

VIDEO please.

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2009, 01:23 PM »

You may want to try it in light winds, just enough to keep your kite flying. The lighter winds will allow you to use much softer inputs. Practice giving enough input so the kite only wants to rotate around once for the backspin. Worry about the flick flac after you've got the backspin control down.

For some kites it helps to bring the kite into the fade with one wingtip lower than the other. You'll have to experiment with how to get there.  It helps to get the backspin going when the fade isn't level.

Remember to go easy at first and work up to aggressive inputs. Get those backspins and flick flacs nice and controlled.  You'll have it down in no time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2009, 03:21 PM »



I find the duplex hard.

obi

Me too. Setting up the flic flacs to get the opposite rotations on the back spins is what's killing me.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 09:18 PM »

i like to do a slightly different version, wherein you backspin twice each time... and, instead of flic-flacs, you do 360 degree flic-flacs.  Doing everything double is twice as much fun!   Smiley


This from the guy who brought us the jitter-bug technique? 

I find the duplex hard...so I call. 

VIDEO please.

obi



This is an older video, but it shows it (i.e., duplex type stuff) some.  i fly better now. 
(There's no Jitter-bug stuff in this video  Roll Eyes... sorry!)

Sport Kite Video...Learning to Fly, part 2
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2009, 07:55 AM »



I find the duplex hard.

obi

Me too. Setting up the flic flacs to get the opposite rotations on the back spins is what's killing me.

Denny

Let the kite go a little past horizontal before popping it into the pancake - this will give the one wing high attitude necessary for a good backspin
Then pull it back into the fade, but one wing will be high. This should make the BS rotation easier.
As you get better at it, you can work on trying to flatten it out some.
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2009, 08:30 AM »

Thanks for the video proof!  Carry on.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2009, 11:27 AM »

Let the kite go a little past horizontal before popping it into the pancake - this will give the one wing high attitude necessary for a good backspin
Then pull it back into the fade, but one wing will be high. This should make the BS rotation easier.
As you get better at it, you can work on trying to flatten it out some.

Thanks Will. I've been trying to time the input to pancake so it comes just before the wing comes back to horizontal. I'll try letting it go just past horizontal and see if that makes it any easier for me.

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