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« on: October 08, 2009, 06:19 PM »

Okay, so after flying for ~15 years, and having LOTS of kites pass through my hands, my favorite genre of kite to fly has become those of the Ultra Light Single Line Kites (ULSLK) genre.   These are slowly becoming more offered in the kite industry.   Some maybe one-of-a-kind, some are batch crafted by the kite maker and some are mass produced.   But, they all fly on those days that there is not a breath enough to get a dual or a quad line up, or for indoor flying.


This is a quick selection of a bunch of kites out of my bags.   Clockwise from the top: Blue Moon Kites 61/49, R-Sky Bird’x, Focus Designs Skate, Flying Wings Aerobe, and a Jeff Howard glider.   

The Aerobe is a brand new mass produced kite manufactured by Flying Wings.
The 61/49, Skate, Bird’x are all craft batch kites, made by the designer in small batches.
The Jeff Howard Glider is a one of a kind kite that I got from Jeff.

Other kites to keep in mind if you are interested in this genre: Karl Longbottom Pterodactyl & Pants, Ramlal Tien Oiseau, Focus Designs Manta, Guildworks Tapertails and Gliders, WindFire Designs Mini Serendipity & Siren & Nano Photon Fighter, R-Sky large Boul’x, Fridolin Anders Mandala, Horvath's creations, L’Atellier Papillion, as well as others (especially lots of fighter kites).

To start with some of my personal kites have certain places that I will fly them in, so this group of kites can already be split into two groups: indoor kites and outdoor kites. 
The outdoor kites: Aerobe, 61/49. 
The indoor kites: Jeff Howard glider, Skate, Bird’x.   
My choice of flying locations is from a combination of the kite build and the flight characteristics.   I am not going to take a kite outdoors that I feel will not handle a gust of wind well, or a bulky kite indoors to only fight trying to keep it aloft (of course certain occasions exist where these choices will be changed).   


The Blue Moon Kites 61/49.   A great kite offered from Ken.   Extremely well built, very durable (mine has nosedived into the ground more than once), a big substantial kite to be flying in almost no wind when there is nothing else up in the air!   This kite can give a good pull when the wind picks up, so personally I will put it away above ~5mph and then pull out my BMK Ichiban.   It is very responsive for its size, you just need to provide it the slack it requires to flatten out and turn.   This kite will keep you actively moving in the amount of wind I feel it excels is 1-4mph.   A great kite for a good price! (read as you will def. get what you pay for from Ken!)


 
The Bird’x is a kite that came out a bit ago and did not seem to catch on well.   Whether the look of it, the price, what have you I feel it was overlooked and hope that it catches on as this genre of kite becomes more popular.   A good quality solid design and build.   This is one of what I consider a crossover kite; until I get a second one to designate as indoor, I will fly this indoors and outdoors in~1-2mph if I do not have the 61/49 with me.   Now in 2009 the Bird’x is being offered with a tail to help keep it stable in more wind, this is a great option for someone who wants to add a fun single line that can be flown more often to their bag.  One of the neat things about the Bird’x I feel is that there are no spreaders.   The wings are held in place by a plastic dihedral fitting at the kites nose, this does make assembly a bit tricky, but it provides more weight to the nose of the kite to produce a fun no wind glide while keeping the wings stiffly in place. 


The Skate is a kite that I do not see the need to take outdoors.   This kite excels at a gliding flight, and in my experience any breath of wind will disrupt that.   It has a neat pocket in the nose for a quarter to weigh down the front of the kite to force that glide.   The rods are all micro-carbon and so they are flexible.   This kite hand launches very well and is very easily controllable in an indoor setting.   I would phrase it as I have been spoiled by this kites’ excellent indoor flight and would expect that outdoors only to find it not do so well.   I also love the look of this kite and to see it distorted by the wind (however well it might do out there) would sadden me.  For the indoor flyer this is a great kite to add to your bag!

Ahh….  This kite is smaller than the Skate, and some might notice it sort of looks like the Skate.   Same bowed spreader, micro-carbon frame.  Here is the story that I have on it: This kite was designed by Curtiss Mitchell, and he brought it to Jeff Howard so that Jeff would produce it.  I am not certain what fell through where; I know that Jeff provided some kits for a couple of classes (if that many!).  I was searching for kites like this and heard about Jeff’s glider.  After about 3 years of me hounding him, he gave me his (probably to get me to stop leave him alone).   I know that Hunter Brown (of Focus Designs) made one, and so that is where the idea for the Skate came from.   So obviously this kite and the Skate are quite alike.   Jeff’s glider is different that it has two trailing tails that come from the center of the wings (not the wingtips or from the tail) and also that it does not have an extended spine.   This glider kite is very efficient indoors (and once again I will never take it outdoors for the same above stated reason).   Jeff told me about standing in the center of a basketball court and sending the kite out in a glide towards the wall, as the kite approached the wall he flicked the line to one side and the kite turned 90 degrees and continued its glide towards the next wall.   Jeff told me that he continued this flight all the way around the gym without him moving from the center circle on the floor, I have tried this out and had quite good luck but not to the level he described to me.   But this is one kite that is outstanding during any sort of indoor flying time, everyone wants to try it!


I saw this kite in person at the 2009 Newport Kite Festival, I had previously seen it in video that were being posted by the maker, Bell Chiu of Flying Wings, and it intrigued me from the first second.   One of the neatest things about this kite is that it comes with a tail that can be flown in two configurations (off the spine or off the wingtips) so that you can keep this kite flying after the wind has picked up.   That is a great thing to be able to do; there are not many kites out there that can fly the whole gambit from no wind situations up to 18mph winds!   This kite will only live in my outdoor bag –well probably it will live in my vehicle so that I can fly at any time.  It is sturdily built.  This little bugger does quite well in normal wind conditions.   It flys well in no-wind situations and handles fling very well with its tail in winds up to about 14mph or so!   My only caveat about this kite: you need to keep constant tension on the flying line or else it plummets towards earth! Overall a good kite for a good price!

These are only a handful of the ULSLKs out there!  I am certain that there are more, so keep looking!  Also these are my thoughts....yours may differ and I would love to hear them!!
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 06:52 PM »

thank you rob i had absolutely no knowledge of this type of kite and will now start looking at them a little more again thanx (i think) KO ps now i am regretting not jumping on the pterodactyl a little quicker
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 07:31 PM »

hey ko
that was a nick james pterodactyl.....that kite likes heavy winds!!!
the karl longbottom pterodactyls are ul wind kites....andthere happens to be a packet of them coming to the states right now....
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 09:07 PM »

When I first got into kites back in 86',  and got into team flying, I always said, "I'm not
going to ever fly dem' old man kites." HA, 23 years later and all burnt out of team flying, SLK's
are very cool. I guess never say never. I still fly the 2 line stuff, usually Friday nights when
Mr. Chilese says, "hey Ian, come here and fly this." I guess it's good practice so I don't forget
how to fly the 2 line stuff.  Grin
You got some very cool slk's there Rob. I really like the Bird X.
Where did you get it? 
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 09:30 PM »

Really nice thread on this small but expanding niche of kite flying Rob. I recently picked up a Aerobe and it's opened up my eyes to glider type SLK's. Big fun. Being a dedicated dual line flier, SLK's have in the last year become something more and more interesting to me, having acquired several this year alone. I can see a 61/49 in my future, I'm a big fan of Ken's kites. I know that UL dual lines have become more of a passion for me over time, maybe the same will happen with SLK's. Good topic!

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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 10:53 PM »

I concur, good topic Rob.

Probably because now I can just come out and say, 'I think the Aerobe is a top little kite' Cool.

I've had about 4-6 hours on it over the last week or so, in quite a variety of environments, from my living room (looping it around), out onto a sports oval in about 3 knots of swirly wind for a couple of hours, and then all the way to 20 knot winds on a beach. It is such a versatile little kite with so many faces.

I really liked the look of the 'Skate' but would have no where to fly it indoors, so it sounded like it wouldn't get the airtime it deserved. So when the Aerobe video's came out, I saw the opportunity to try the idea out with an outdoor version of that kite type/style.

And so far I've enjoyed every minute with it.  Smiley

I have also been looking around quietly at what else is out there. I'm liking the look of the Shift 1.0 but would mind seeing a little bit of video of it flying first. I also think a canard might be in the future as well, we'll see... Then there is, as you mentioned, those 'Horvath' kites... They look pretty cool, both the Urban Ninja as well as the Zero 1.1 have caught my eye. So I'm thinking there might be room for a few more of these gliding kites in my bag... Well, they take up so little room Wink

I'm really looking forward to reading more chatter about these..


Oh yeah... Would I be right in guessing that these sorts of kites are naturally complimentary to the 'freestyle' style of flying?
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 12:09 AM »

Nice summary of a nice bunch of kites. I think my new Aerobe has brought more grins and giggles to my kite flying than any new kite in a long time!
(Now I've really got to put together all those parts I bought to make an Urban Ninja, too!)
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 04:10 AM »

When I first got into kites back in 86',  and got into team flying, I always said, "I'm not
going to ever fly dem' old man kites." HA, 23 years later and all burnt out of team flying, SLK's
are very cool. I guess never say never. I still fly the 2 line stuff, usually Friday nights when
Mr. Chilese says, "hey Ian, come here and fly this." I guess it's good practice so I don't forget
how to fly the 2 line stuff.  Grin
You got some very cool slk's there Rob. I really like the Bird X.
Where did you get it? 
i had to get mine via Bilboquet in france....drop me a line and i can get you a closer rsky contact though....
Ask Chilese to bring his back out...last time heard it was just sitting assembled over the hot tub Wink


Thanks for the words guys! just trying to share what i can!
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 07:15 AM »

Norm, that sounds like a great little project to have on the table. Get to it man!
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 07:21 AM »

i would love to have the time for one more build....and i would love a Urban Ninja....
did you get the kit form horvath or are you going from the plans online???
there is also another kite on my horizon to add to the bags...it is called the Ginga and being prototyped in Belgium right now.....

i am also VERY interested in the Daryl Yeh Zen Glider for indoors...made contact and see what I can get from him!
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 12:15 PM »

Rob,
Thanks for the update. Looks like I'm not the only one interested in some of these kites.
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 10:27 PM »

I did not buy the kit from Switzerland. I just downloaded and printed out the plans and instructions and ordered the parts (or reasonable facsimiles) from kite studio. They're still all in a safe place.

I think this area of low-wind glider kites is going to be an exciting growth area for several years. What we've got already -- thief's collection plus the others he's mentioned, etc. -- shows that there are lots of approaches that work, and I'd be shocked if we've already exhausted the possibilities.

I can imagine a number of other variations on slow-speed airplanes (gliders, sailplanes, hang-gliders, canards, etc.) that make interesting low-wind glider-kites.

And maybe somebody will figure out how to keep a disc-shaped glider-kite rotating over long distances . . . (Think Frisbee -- or maybe we've already seen two of those. . .)
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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2009, 01:19 PM »

Hey Rob, John brought his Bird X to the park Friday night to let me fly it.
That's a very nice light wind flyer. The wind was blowing at 3 to maybe 5-6
mph. As small as it is, I was kind of surprised at how well it flew. I wouldn't mind
one, great kite.  Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2009, 06:05 PM »

Ian:did you get my email re. bird'x's
great fun kite that is a lot tighter than an aerobe for ul days!
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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2009, 08:04 PM »

Ian:did you get my email re. bird'x's
great fun kite that is a lot tighter than an aerobe for ul days!

No Rob, I didn't get your email. Please send it again.

isesposo@gmail.com

Funny you should say that, after flying the kite, I started throwing a Areobie and Colorado boomarangs. It's been a while since I did that.  Smiley
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