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Author Topic: Nirvana Vs. NSE  (Read 7656 times)
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« on: October 18, 2009, 03:24 PM »

I'm stuck in the house.

Sucks.

Anyway.

I got it into my head to do one of these Godzilla Vs. Mothra™ threads.

Any of you yahoos have experience with both of these?

Bonus points for experience with the different flavors.

I notice that R-Sky continues to make both available on their site.

Why?

Any feedback appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 10:46 PM »

yeah, and what's with the Nirvana SE STD vs Nirvana SE STD "S"?
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 11:26 PM »

There must be an economy version in there somewhere. I'm guessing that may be the difference. I can't figure it out from the pricing as yet.

There is a 6mm LE version listed under Std.. The "S" has the traditional Nirvana frame set.

It's a puzzler..
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 12:20 AM »

So, to clarify, and as I read it..... the NSE comes as:-

WW SkyShark 349€
WW Icone 409€
LW SkyShark 319€
LW Icone 379€
STD SkyShark 259€
STD Icone 359€
STD Aerostuff priceless
STD S SkyShark 299€
HW SkyShark 339€
HW Icone 399€

That's a lot of choices....  Huh

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 12:44 AM »

A gratuitous number of choices.

The STD Skyshark is mostly Structil most likely with P300 lower spreaders, so; there's the EconoNiv.

The STD "S" would seem to be the rational choice, if these choices were ever rational.

Aerostuff. nice. But yikes.

Again, I ask why?
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2009, 12:48 AM »

To capitalize on all those rich billionaires who have to be able to say:

"I have every R-Sky kite model ever made."

It must be quite the list: zippy8 and a few others.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2009, 12:57 AM »

And that was gratuitous as well:

I doubt very much that Zman feels the need to own every version ever made of the Nirvana.

He's been complementary, of its attributes, if not the build quality, as one must: it's a great kite.

No.

I think it has to do with the exchange rate.

It seems to me that having that many choices interferes with making a choice however.

Especially when, at least for USAians, the price is feverish no matter how you slice it.

Sometimes I think Roger must have stepped on your Trilby Godfather.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2009, 01:02 AM »

Well, I truly enjoy my Opium and Darren's Nirvana Collector has made me rethink the later built Ns.

My ill attempt at humor was merely to convey that I too, am baffled that so many similar options are offered.

I retreat to my Trlbys humbly.  Undecided
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 01:15 AM »

"I have every R-Sky kite model ever made."
Never had an NSE. I had a First Fifty™ Nirvana but that went a long time ago. I never liked it but admired it. I always wanted to fly something else, even when I acknowledged that the Nirvana was the better kite.

I've not got a particular problem with multiple frame choices (defunct store Windfactory offered upgrade frames to many kites) but I'd like to be sure that each one made sense.

400€+ for any kite isn't likely for me. 300€ is pause-for-breath-and-think-it-through territory.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 03:43 AM »

I've spent a fair amount of time on a Skyshark NFE, but I recently sold it so that I could order another NFE in Icone.  That order hasn't come in yet, but my order for an NSE in Icone arrived a few weeks ago.  I still can't comment though because the NSE remains unflown.  Lips sealed
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2009, 01:34 PM »

I have a Nirvana Icone and a  NSE Icone...They are very close in performances a slight edge to the NSE for roll up tricks...         
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2009, 08:05 AM »

I have a Nirvana Icone and a  NSE Icone...They are very close in performances a slight edge to the NSE for roll up tricks...         

+1

I have some Nirvanas and owned a NSE for a bit.  I thought they were close enough in performance that I am staying with the older Nirvana models.  Plus I prefer the sail pattern on the older N's  Wink
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2009, 09:02 PM »

I have a Nirvana Icone and a  NSE Icone...They are very close in performances a slight edge to the NSE for roll up tricks...         

+1

I have some Nirvanas and owned a NSE for a bit.  I thought they were close enough in performance that I am staying with the older Nirvana models.  Plus I prefer the sail pattern on the older N's  Wink
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you are correct.....the fist generation nirvanas are a sexy kite. I loved mine very much....well maybe not so much the HW, but it still has a place in my heart.

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2009, 09:28 PM »

Thanks for the information so far everybody.

What I'm getting at is this:

We all know that there are a lot of guys flying the Nirvana.

We know it is a great design.

I would imagine that the NSE is all that at the very least.

What I don't know is are people flying the Niv or the NSE?

If the Niv, is it because they haven't bought a new one, or some other reason; if the NSE why do they like it over the Niv?  IOW, is there a preference for one or the other and what is it specifically?

Just curious about this. The Nirvana is still considered an amazing kite, but there isn't a lot of chatter about either edition these days. Maybe because it has been around and readily acknowledged to be a benchmark design.

Still just kinda wondering.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2009, 10:18 PM »

If the Niv, is it because they haven't bought a new one, or some other reason; if the NSE why do they like it over the Niv?  IOW, is there a preference for one or the other and what is it specifically?
From what I've read/heard there isn't really enough of a difference between the Nirvana and the Nirvana SE  such that it demands a new purchase. There's less of a progression from Nirvana to Nirvana SE than there was from Opium to Nirvana and they were very similar kites.

I dare say someone out there will be able to divine some marginal differences but given that the Nirvana itself has undergone substantial changes throughout its lifetime even if the Nirvana SE is going to be called "better", which flavour of Nirvana is it being compared to ?

Taking into account that they are the same price (and I notice that the website has the pricing explained in a bit more straightforward manner now); pick one, fly it, enjoy it.

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