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« on: March 16, 2009, 04:44 AM »

When practicing my flic flacs on the Silver fox 2.5 . They become unstable after the 3rd-4th one,what I mean is that the kite starts to angle left or right as i'm doing them. Why is this what going on?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2009, 06:39 AM »

A couple things that are probably obvious....

1.  Be sure you are in the center of the window.  Otherwise, the kite will tend to shift off center just because of the angle of the wind.

2.  Be sure you tug it out of the flare EVENLY with both hands.  Even a slight imbalance can give you an off balance flare, which then leads back to an off balance fade.

Learning how this can be used to your advantage will help with backspins, backspin cascades...and the ever-popular duplex.

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2009, 08:26 AM »

Keep your hands close together, if not touching, as much as possible when doing flic flacs.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2009, 08:42 AM »

I agree with both of the above.. +:

It is most likely you're hitting it a bit unevenly. Try changing the intensity or sharpness of the inputs.  Different kites and wind conditions take different inputs. It may be easier to be even with sharper or more gradual inputs.

Also, if the winds real bumpy it can be tough to keep any trick going after a few.

I love the Flic-Flac. It was one of the first cool looking tricks I learned.
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2009, 09:08 AM »

Keep your hands close together, if not touching, as much as possible when doing flic flacs.
If you keep your hands together, you'll have to bring both hands in towards your stomach.
If you lower your hands you'll cause yourself pain.  Roll Eyes

Once the muscle memory develops and you can keep the kite even, then you can separate them towards the outside.  You'll also know what slight inputs are needed to keep it stable.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 09:55 AM »

Kites usually do what you and/or the wind tell them to do.
You may not mean to be telling it to angle off, but if your flares are uneven, you are telling it to angle off. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 12:44 PM »

My regular flick flacks get unstable all the time, but I'm getting better at correcting them by pulling more with one side as needed.

For really clean flick flacks, try this:

Get the kite into a stable fade.

Grab both straps in one hand and pull and release and pull and release and pull...

Not practical all the time, but the flick flacks can look really, really nice.

Works best in very clean wind, in the middle of the window.

Our pal Shane flew one handed by necessity and did some really cool stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 03:05 PM »

good point, Allen.  I like the comment about correcting constantly to keep things lined up.  Good stuff.   we all need to work on that.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2009, 03:33 PM »

Simply put, it'll come with practice.

I can't imagine trying to do Flic Flac's with my hand together. I sweep my hands at my side.

Of course, YMMV.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2009, 03:47 PM »

thanx for that randy !! with my hands together i got uncomfortably close to a sensitive area..  maybe its the kite but i need to sweep my hands back also
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2009, 04:39 PM »

thanx for that randy !! with my hands together i got uncomfortably close to a sensitive area..  maybe its the kite but i need to sweep my hands back also

As you get older you'll find that muscle memory really does come into play Huh I don't believe I've come close to hitting myself in that sensitive region,  in let's say, thirty or more years.  However one word of caution.........never stand within three feet directly behind a dual line flyer.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2009, 07:16 PM »

When you pancake a kite, the only leg of the bridle that's doing anything is the uphaul.
So your lines are suddenly attached to the kite very close to each other. A small movement on a short "arm" makes for a larger movement of the kite.

It'll come with practice (as others have said), it's just touchier than it might seem.
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 12:39 AM »

When you pancake a kite, the only leg of the bridle that's doing anything is the uphaul.
So your lines are suddenly attached to the kite very close to each other. A small movement on a short "arm" makes for a larger movement of the kite.

It'll come with practice (as others have said), it's just touchier than it might seem.

Very insightful...something I hadn't fully seen till you posted.   Cool

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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 05:55 AM »

When you pancake a kite, the only leg of the bridle that's doing anything is the uphaul.
So your lines are suddenly attached to the kite very close to each other. A small movement on a short "arm" makes for a larger movement of the kite.

It'll come with practice (as others have said), it's just touchier than it might seem.

Very insightful...something I hadn't fully seen till you posted.   Cool

obi
Nor me.  It certainly helps explain why I have such problems with consistent flic flacs.  Undecided
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 06:19 AM »

And too one can over-think this stuff. I've been guilty from time to time. Roll Eyes Huh
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