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« on: November 23, 2009, 11:00 AM »

Is it the pilots inputs or is it what the kite does? 
For example ... If I can make a kite fall on to its belly then rotate 360 degrees and then fly away from roughly the same position it started is it an axel no matter what inputs I am giving the kite?
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2009, 11:06 AM »

Personally I would say that is an axel. There are always variations from flyer to flyer on how a trick is executed.

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2009, 11:09 AM »

I would say yes also, not only variations on inputs from different pilots, but different kites might need to be tweaked in a slightly different way to achieve the same result.

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2009, 11:10 AM »

Flailing your arms, you kite gyrates, it does not crash, it recovers and that is a trick.
However sometimes it lands sort of purty. Angry
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2009, 11:15 AM »

i have long thought of it as a reproducible thing.....
anyone remember Andy Prestons trick where he would catch a wingtip at the top of the window and then kite would spiral like a dizzy a$$ bumblebee to just above the ground then he would pop the line off and fly away......
he could reproduce it on his kites...but i am not certain how many other people were able to.....
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2009, 11:20 AM »

IMO, if its pilot induced & repeatable, its a trick.
So I guess that makes it both.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2009, 11:28 AM »

I'm thinking the repeatable part is the key that defines trick or not, no matter how ugly the input may be.


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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 11:29 AM »

kite flies from the top of the window straight towards the ground.  Kite goes flat, nose away and then rotates 540 degrees and flies away in the direction from whence it came.  

What trick did I just do?
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2009, 11:35 AM »

Duh...  Roll Eyes  a 540 ?  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2009, 11:39 AM »

Sorry Dano ... that was a vertical slot machine.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2009, 11:41 AM »

i shoulda known.. "That was a trick question".  Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2009, 11:49 AM »

Sorry Dano ... that was a vertical slot machine.
does that mean i know know a new trick?Huh
i always thought that was a 540...........
harumph.......
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2009, 12:12 PM »

Sorry Dano ... that was a vertical slot machine.

I disagree. A slot doesn't start nose away and doesn't rotate 540 degrees.
But according to the Trick Wiki you're right.

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2009, 12:40 PM »

AP Named it a Latham after his flying buddy, who he attributed it to.

Later it became known as an Insane. Lam calls it a Death Spiral.

It is a mainstay in the current trick lexicon.


i have long thought of it as a reproducible thing.....
anyone remember Andy Prestons trick where he would catch a wingtip at the top of the window and then kite would spiral like a dizzy a$$ bumblebee to just above the ground then he would pop the line off and fly away......
he could reproduce it on his kites...but i am not certain how many other people were able to.....

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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2009, 12:43 PM »

In my opinion....

Trick = intent.  We take a certain movement (or sequence of movements) of a kite, and give it a name.  If you intentionally produce that as a result, you've performed a trick.  Now, I don't care what sequence of movements the flier makes to produce the result; if they were made with the intention of producing an axel, and the result was that the kite axeled, then an axel was performed.
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