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« on: November 30, 2009, 01:48 AM »

This probably/maybe should be in the noob section, but it is a quad Huh? Embarrassed Wink

When working on my  Horizontal Passes, my hands want to migrate from striaght up & down to a position parallel to the ground. SHOULD my hands stay in the up & down possition rather than parallel to the ground.

Let me also say I'm getting much, MUCH better @ not pulling  Grin

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 08:24 AM »

there's no problem changing hand positions as long as you don't try to follow your kite all the way around when you turn down.  If you do, your arms will have to wrap around each other in a rather painful and impossible manner.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 08:29 AM »

On a low wind day a horizontal pass could look almost as if you had an bow cocked ready to release the arrow. Get the idea?

If you're comfortable hands hortizontal and the kite is doing what you want, that works too.  Wink

You got a hover down yet, or done any inverted slides?

Just like dual line, videos and flying with others helps a bunch

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 01:06 PM »

On a low wind day a horizontal pass could look almost as if you had an bow cocked ready to release the arrow. Get the idea?

You got a hover down yet, or done any inverted slides?
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So it's ok ta pull  Huh ok

Hover uhhhhhh no Embarrassed INVERTED SLIDE??? Shocked I don't even have a slide down  Cry  But I'll get to it Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 02:01 PM »

You're likely to get better and more advice on the Revolution forum. 

http://www.revkites.com/forum/

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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 02:32 PM »

Thanks for pointing that out Scott.  Wink

I missed the detail of his question. "HANDS"

Hands parallel to the ground in a horizontal flight. Perfect!

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 06:25 PM »

Thanks guys, appreciate da help
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 01:50 PM »

This probably/maybe should be in the noob section, but it is a quad Huh? Embarrassed Wink

When working on my  Horizontal Passes, my hands want to migrate from striaght up & down to a position parallel to the ground. SHOULD my hands stay in the up & down possition rather than parallel to the ground.

Let me also say I'm getting much, MUCH better @ not pulling  Grin

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Ab

This sounds about right. I for one, am not very consistant with this, sometimes, I have my hands turned with the kite, and other times I have both my thumbs pointing in. I figure as long as the kite is doing the right thing, you could be upside down balancing on a beach ball, and it does not matter.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 05:46 PM »

... you could be upside down balancing on a beach ball, and it does not matter.
Can you get a video of that? That would be so sweet!  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 06:24 PM »

I can make no promises Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 09:14 PM »

I guess it doesn't really matter as long as the position is comfortable for you. I tend to have my top hand parallet and bottom hand vertical in light winds. Makes horizontal ground pass easier since you'd have to pull your top hand in to keep the kite in horizontal flight.
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2009, 08:13 AM »

New items for conversation ...

Item 1)  I found that it was easier to learn to hover inverted with the handles held parallel to the ground.  My mistake was holding the handles too far apart.  If you watch the Victoria Remix video, you'll notice that, for the most part, the iQuad team holds their handles reasonably close together and down in front of themselves.
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Holding the handles close together yields better control of the kite during maneuvers.  Try this the next time you're flying: Put the kite into an upright hover in the middle of the wind window and do the following ...

a)  Holding the handles far apart, rotate your body a few degrees. 

b)  Now holding the handles close together (in front of yourself), rotate your body the same amount.

Which position of the handles yielded the greatest upset to the kite?

For me, learning to hold the handles (the top lines) closer together has resulted in improved control!!

Item 2)  For sideways hovers, I hold the bottom handle vertical and the top handle parallel to the ground.  For each rotational position of the kite, I try to hold the handles the same way every time!  Learning to fly automatically, without thinking, is mostly muscle memory, so give your muscles the same movement/position to remember and it becomes easier.

If you're a natural, no problem, do whatever you want.  But, if you have to really work at it, like I do, then you might try the two suggested ideas.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2009, 10:38 AM »

Another suggestion...

Hold your hands close together and relaxed in front of your abdomen, then find a stable hover either upright or inverted.

Now without making any wrist or thumb input, gradually let your hands/arms relax so they drop closer to your crotch and the kite should start to slowly reverse... Going the other way, gradually raise your hands/arms until they're around the bottom of your rib cage (still in front of your body), the kite should be inclined to fly forward slightly.

What I'm outlining here is how much the position of your hands can influence the controls without making any significant change to the twisting and angles of your handles... Incorporating arm position allows you to make smaller, more refined inputs. Wink
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2009, 02:22 PM »

"Food for Thought"   Thanks John!  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 03:35 PM »

What I'm outlining here is how much the position of your hands can influence the controls without making any significant change to the twisting and angles of your handles... Incorporating arm position allows you to make smaller, more refined inputs. Wink

Thanks John

On a slightly different note:
Might I add how much you look like Dale Earnhardt Jr. in your avitar  Grin
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