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Author Topic: Reframing a Transfer XTR Standard into a UL (Unleaded)?  (Read 1723 times)
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« on: November 30, 2009, 05:56 AM »

Hi,

I have a Transfer XTR Standard that I would like to reframe it down to the UL (Unleaded) specs. For those with both or in the know, need your advice.

  • Can I simply switch out the framing? The UL if I understand correctly, is 3PTs all around (Both leading edges, lower spreaders, spine). Is the upper spreader the same as the XTR Standard? Is it 6mm structil?
  • Both the standoffs for the Standard and UL, are they same same length? Understand both are 3mm
  • Are the bridle measurements the same for both?

I understand that the sail and reinforcement material as well as the bridle line is heavier in a standard sail compared to a UL sail and I'm willing to go with the weight different if I do reframe it down, no problem.

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 11:54 AM »

Hello Darryl,


I have a Transfer XTR Standard that I would like to reframe it down to the UL (Unleaded) specs. For those with both or in the know, need your advice.

Can I simply switch out the framing? The UL if I understand correctly, is 3PTs all around (Both leading edges, lower spreaders, spine).

- Leading Edge : 2 x SkyShark 3PT -> 76 cm
- Lower Spreaders : 2 x SkyShark 3PT -> 75.5 cm  (lenght for a R-SKY Center-T - 15 mm large)
- Spine : SkyShark 3PT -> 88.5 cm.

Don't forget to change the leading edge connectors. Use Tiny APA's.

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Is the upper spreader the same as the XTR Standard? Is it 6mm structil?

No, it's 5 mm Structil -> 53.5 cm
 
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Both the standoffs for the Standard and UL, are they same length? Understand both are 3mm

Yes, Avia Micro carbon 3 mm : 24.5 cm ext. and 25 cm int. + Atelier sail standoff connector.

With others sail standoff connector : total length between sail and LS -> 25.5 cm ext. and 26 cm int.

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Are the bridle measurements the same for both?

Yes

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I understand that the sail and reinforcement material as well as the bridle line is heavier in a standard sail compared to a UL sail and I'm willing to go with the weight different if I do reframe it down, no problem.

Sail is the same Icarex for both kites but the leading edge is spinnaker for the Transfer xt.r UnLeaded and Dacron for the standard version.

Bridle : Laser Pro 170 lbs for the standard xt.r and 100 lbs for the UnLeaded.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 03:48 PM »

That was extremely detailed more than what I am asking for. Thanks Tataouine!

-Darryl
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 04:23 PM »

The unleaded also has a strange center T arrangement, if  I rember right it was 4mm fiberglass with plastic bushing to make up the gap to the 3pts.the kite would kinda flap at the T in flight.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 05:06 AM »

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The unleaded also has a strange center T arrangement, if  I rember right it was 4mm fiberglass with plastic bushing to make up the gap to the 3pts.the kite would kinda flap at the T in flight.
No harm in keeping/replacing it with the regular T-piece.

You might want to keep the PT5 lower spreaders. Check for yourself, but with the PT3 I find the kite really lame. Weight difference should be something around 5 grams.
The major weight loss is through the connectors: Apa-spreader: Std is 5,6 grams, tiny is 1,85. Additionally, standoff-connector Apa 1,75, Jaco 0,8 grams.

You can easily fit a Jaco connector over the largest spreader by heating it a bit with a lighter. I like them much better, because the standoff-connectors are the major line-pinging item on a kite.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 08:26 AM »

Hi Erik,


[..] Apa-spreader: Std is 5,6 grams, tiny is 1,85. Additionally, standoff-connector Apa 1,75, Jaco 0,8 grams.

You can easily fit a Jaco connector over the largest spreader by heating it a bit with a lighter. I like them much better, because the standoff-connectors are the major line-pinging item on a kite.

I have never seen the Jaco standoff-spreader connectors. Do you have a picture please ? Thanks !
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 09:12 AM »


I had a look at Bilbo, they don't have it, but they have the Jaco endcaps, so it might be worth to ask. If you haven't got another adress in France, you can get them at

http://www.ryll.de

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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2009, 09:51 AM »

OK Eric, I know these FSD/Jaco "Standoff Halter" available in black, white (transparent), yellow, red, orange and green.

But they are "Fr Stbe 5-6 x 3,2 mm" and as you said a bit hard to insert in the 3 or 5 PT SkyShark spreaders.

On the standoff side 3 mm, you have to insert the standoff without the protection endcap.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2009, 10:13 AM »

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The unleaded also has a strange center T arrangement, if  I rember right it was 4mm fiberglass with plastic bushing to make up the gap to the 3pts.the kite would kinda flap at the T in flight.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2009, 03:39 PM »

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OK Eric, I know these FSD/Jaco "Standoff Halter" available in black, white (transparent), yellow, red, orange and green.

But they are "Fr Stbe 5-6 x 3,2 mm" and as you said a bit hard to insert in the 3 or 5 PT SkyShark spreaders.

On the standoff side 3 mm, you have to insert the standoff without the protection endcap.

Yes, true. But with the little heating trick I even got them easily over a PT5 Black Diamond. The standoffs I round and smooth with sandpaper to make them less dangerous for the sail. I really like them because it's one possibility less for the flying line to catch on the kite. Probably less of a problem when I learn to fly a bit cleaner...

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 03:49 AM »

I use the JACO connectors on both my Essence SUL (3pt) and Quartz (5pt).
I put them in boiling water for a while and the slide on very easily.
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