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« on: September 15, 2014, 07:15 PM »

Picked this up on the 'Bay and need some help figuring out the configuration.
I haven't seen a Phantom with the extra (missing the rods) standoffs that this one has. Framed with AFC .2200 on the spine and le. carbon spreaders. Never seen this kind of standoff to spreader connection before. No tag sewn in the sail. Kite appears to be unflown. Not sure if this is a "build" or an original. Any help with this one is greatly appreciated.













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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2014, 06:09 AM »

That looks suspiciously like a copy where the builder tried to make the kite less noisy by adding the outer standoff to keep the sail vibration "free" in the outer panel.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 06:40 AM »

Those look like Goodwinds standoff fittings.

I'd use a fairly flexible standoff rod for the outer standoffs and experiment with the lengths.
Framed in AFC .2200s, it should fly quite well in lighter winds.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2014, 08:39 AM »

I don't know if I've seen a Phantom like that without a Fizz or Highflyers emblem on the tail below the T, so who knows who made it. Nose looks kind of wide too. Looks nice and crisp, though. Probably flies great.

The extra standoffs are most certainly experimental/custom. As Steve says, a flexible rod will work best. Fiberglass is generally used rather then carbon for this.

Here's a similar Fizz Phantom with it's designer:

https://picasaweb.google.com/chilesej/KitesDesignersBuilders#5429459307906169010

I framed (Skyshark) and bridled that skin from scratch as an experiment and was aghast when John handed it to Tim at Kite Party. I guess it flew pretty well.  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2014, 08:52 AM »

PM Bill Lancashire - you can find him in the members list - He is the expert on the Phantom and its variations and should be able to tell you if it's a genuine Benson/Fizz/ Highfliers or a self build.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2014, 09:41 AM »

PM Bill Lancashire - you can find him in the members list - He is the expert on the Phantom and its variations and should be able to tell you if it's a genuine Benson/Fizz/ Highfliers or a self build.

I just saw this thread.

I too think that this kite is a 'self-build'.  It certainly looks well made from what we can see in the photographs.

The only time I have seen Phantoms made without a sewn-on label is with the post-1992 Highflyers kites which had more panels than this one (14 in total) and the kite name was printed onto the sail and would be called 'Shadow' as they dropped the name Phantom.

Also I have never seen white thread used for the stitching.

It will be interesting to see how it flies.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2014, 06:16 PM »

Thanks to all who chimed in on this one. It'll get some air time soon! Seemed like a "build" to me also. Very nicely done with good attention to detail. I have some fiberglass that will fill the bill for the second spreader. Somehow, I like the hot pink Carrington on this one, made me smile when I came home from work and saw it hangin' on the wall... Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2014, 05:39 AM »

Theres no benson/fizz tag sewn to the kite down by the tail, so I'd assume a self build.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2014, 08:14 AM »

Theres no benson/fizz tag sewn to the kite down by the tail, so I'd assume a self build.
Yes, this has been mentioned above twice.
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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 09:37 AM »

I may have some clues to help identify the builder of this kite. I just picked up a batch of kites on ebay, and there were two Phantom kites as well as a Cheetah included. Both the Phantoms came in bags with 'Cheetah by Wind Toys' tags sewn into them, and the same 'Made in USA' labels sewn into the kites. The bags are definitely not for the Cheetah, the Phantoms fit in them full length.



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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 10:53 PM »

No tags of any kind Charles. Carrington fabric according to "sew-a-lot". Won't fit a "Cheetah" bag fully assembled, at least not the two Cheetahs and their bags that I have.
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« Reply #11 on: Today at 06:06 AM »

Both of mine are Carrington, are framed with AFC carbon, and have white thread in places on the kite. The bags are both the same for each of the Phantoms, they both accept the kites full length.
It seemed odd to me that someone would sew the same tag in the Phantom that's on the Cheetah, and would make a bag sized for the Phantom with a 'Cheetah by Wind Toys' label sewn into it.
Next time I see sews a lot I'll take the kites with me and see if we can figure this out.
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