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« on: March 21, 2010, 10:32 PM »

i have been playing in light breezes the last few days, just sort of cruising i can get a couple of my kites to pinwheel but it is pretty much luck i would appreciate some help on getting it right
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2010, 11:04 PM »

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It's just like the Freestyle pilot DVD says..........go on up to the top of the window and make a tight turn in either direction. pull or give slack when necessary and the kite should go all the way to the ground turning, pretty much by itself....................However there are some kites not floaty enough or some that have weight for tricking that won't want to do it easily..................
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 06:20 PM »

I'm surprised Allen hasn't posted here. He's rather adept at Pinwheels.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 06:30 PM »

hi guys i think allen is sick of me after 4or5 days of fun in the sun KPstyle anyway who needs em???LOL in the prism vid it is mark flying and he is flying a vapor so it looks really easy in the vid it looks to me that he is keeping the lines not snug,but not a lot of slack either i can get the kite started but i need a little insight on tending the lines to keep the kite spinning if it starts to stall i got the fearless light to do a couple of nice ones but again it just feels like luck at this point   KO
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 07:31 PM »

Not all kites Pinwheel (at least not well).
A really good pinwheel requires no tending of the lines and in my experience there are very few kites that do that, TT UL and Synchro come to mind as kites that I have flown that will do them untended.
The initial set up is key.  The idea is to get the kite FLAT and to start the rotation.  If you've gotten to that point and need to coax the kite around for multiple rotations think about it as doing 540's really high in the window.  A small amount of tension on the line as it is nose away and slightly off center (as in a 540) will coax the next rotation.  It has to be gentle as too much tension will "unflatten" the kite ... end of pinwheel.

Hope that makes sense ... I am terrible at giving trick tips.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 07:35 PM »

Try flying to the top of the window, turn down and immediately flair to pancake, lightly pop a line and slack the other. As the kite turns 180, lightly pop the line you slacked, as the kite turns 360 pop again. The first pop is less than you would for a 540 and the others just enough for the axel. You will probably need to slowly walk towards the kite to keep it laying flat on it's belly the whole time. You want the lines snug enough that you can feel the kite at all times. Your hands will be alternating push..pull..push..pull. Sort of a bicycling motion with the hands. Easier in light winds.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 07:43 PM »

In my experience with the Vapor, just the wieght of the lines will keep the kite turning.............It's just a matter of giving (and I hate to use the word slack here) line out in order not to stop the rotation.  I think that's what you see in the Freestyle Pilot..............
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 08:07 PM »

I'm surprised Allen hasn't posted here. He's rather adept at Pinwheels.


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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 08:20 PM »

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In zero wind, with many SULs its dead easy. Get the kite rotating and keep from stepping on the lines. The kite will spin on down and let you catch it.

If there's any wind then the kite will be moving, so line management is an issue.

I don't know the proper definition, but I think of a pinwheel as a single input move. You get the kite spinning and then watch it until you catch it or it moves away far enough for the lines to fetch up and you fly out of it.

With just about any wind you and the kite are moving down wind and in many cases you need to influence the spin repeatedly. Additional inputs. If done smoothly it looks like the kite is pinwheeling, but I think of it as a multiple axel. This is big fun. OK, so I'm odd, but if Denny notices then I must be doing something right.   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 01:36 AM »

Steve and Allen are correct in that the pinwheel should be a single input move. The trick is moderately kite dependent (most will do the first couple of spins but not all the way to the ground). If you know someone with a Prism Zephyr, the pinwheel (for me) is built into that kite.  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2010, 03:03 AM »

Couple of things besides a kite that is balanced to do them well:

1) Very low, to no wind.

2) Take the kite to the top of the window and then pull it even higher, as close to straight over head as you can, before starting your spin. An alternative method is to start your spin nearly overhead and then walk under once the spin is established.

With the right kite, you should be able to get it to descend directly down to where you are standing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2010, 08:48 AM »

thank you everybody the pinwheel is such a graceful and impressive move that i really dont want to pass it up. i will get out in the light stuff and get started with the inner space hope that is the ticket
thanx again KO
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