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« on: March 22, 2010, 02:02 AM »

I have a BOT that won't trick. Can't get it to lay on its back. Flick flacks are hard to do. Axle is difficult. I added weights an still nothing. Bridle measurmenst are correct.

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 03:04 AM »

Moved from videos - you might get more responses here...

I have a BOT that won't trick.

What other kites do you fly? The BoT comes from a different era and requires a noticeably different flying style to 'modern' polyvalent style kites.

They don't lay on their backs and wait, for any sort of lazy susan you need to put it on its back sharply and pop immediately. In fact to lazy kites this old its usually a smooth gentle pull not a pop. Find Peter Peter's trick list and look for Sleazy Lous and variations on snap lazies. A BoT certainly won't Lazy anything like a post-Nirvana kite.

Flic Flacs are one of the BoT's favourite tricks but again the technique is different - I assume you're doing the fade-pancake variety?

Give your axels time and lots of slack. The BoT does nice axels and multiple axels but for multis the techniques are different

Weights are only going to mess things up this is not a kite you want to start adding weight to. Also avoid overpowering it; BoTs take a pretty gentle touch, no need to be as aggressive as you might with newer kites oh and again use lots of slack.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 04:30 AM »

Thanks for the quick reply. I fly Exile, Talon, Muse, MSE, plus other more modern kites.
I will not give up on it, and do what you said.

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2010, 06:13 AM »

Exile, Talon, Muse, MSE, plus other more modern kites.

In that case you will want as much slack as you give your Muse, with inputs smaller than you give the Talon.

A bit of an exaggeration but when things really flow with a BoT you seem to spend much of the time with the lines pretty slack just flicking the kite between tricks. Pops often tend to be gentle coaxing taps, or small but fast and snappy.

It will be happiest in lower winds, if its pulling you're flying it in too much wind, BoTs never need more than 80lb line. 50~60 ft is about right.

Re flic-flacs ISTR on the later PC31/active bridle one I had you needed to catch the kite early as it flared. My earlier K42 one was much more forgiving.
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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 09:10 AM »

does it still have the original "trick line"?
they interfere with most Turtle-based tricks
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 09:19 AM »

does it still have the original "trick line"?
they interfere with most Turtle-based tricks

Indeed, the later ones had about 8" of bungee in the middle so it could deflect out of the way (if you threw it into a turtle hard and pulled immediately before it had chance to sit back up)

Its still not a kite to do Lazy Susans though.
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