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« on: April 22, 2010, 10:11 PM »

Been playing around with an older Gemini.  I have tried Wardley's xactive bridle with some nice results.  Any suggestions on getting this kite to go deeper into a turtle?  Having trouble trying to lazy susan , especailly when doing JL's.
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 12:44 AM »

There are people who weight them.

Approximately Eight Grams on each spine or alternatively, one weight at the base of the center standoff down near the sail.

The Benson Twins have some info on this:

http://www.bensontwins.nl/index.htm

In the end, the Gem takes just that extra bit of slack to stay in the back flip. The standard Gem is a demon at JL's when you get the hang of it.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 12:58 AM »

While the weight helps, its also a matter of technique. Bensons generally need to be *put* into a turtle, they don't settle there like some kites. The DS is the same. Be more aggressive popping it onto its back to get it to go deeper and hit your lazy susan immediately, don't wait for it to settle.

In fact IMO BoTs, Gems and DS's are happier if you keep them constantly and quickly flowing from one element of move to the next; they don't like to settle before anything really.   
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 04:46 AM »

You can also pull the trickline in closer to the trailing edge which allows the kite to fall deeper into the turtle.  As I remember the standard measurement is 15cm and you shorten the lines running from the standoffs to 8cm.  You'll need a longer piece of bridle line for the new trickline or you can cut the original in half and put a short length of elastic cord in the middle like the Outerspace.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 05:33 AM »

Good advice on the mods above. I run 7 grams (I think) in the tail of each spine (velcro weights like the DS) and the pulled in trickline. All helps, but the key is that the kite flies best and looks best when flowing from one move to the next. So in the JL, you pop for the half lazy while the nose is still going back. It looks good when done nicely, but you have to think ahead...

This is far from the greatest Gem flying ever, but there are a bunch of flapjacks and a JL at the end that show the absence of a pause or settling into the backflip before the spin input. Hopefully it helps...

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2010, 02:38 PM »

That's truly inspirational! Nice editing too!
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 04:16 PM »

That video made me want to run out and BUY a Gem ASAP!  Cheesy
Nice flying!
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2010, 08:24 PM »

Lol, I just did buy a Gem because of this vid. I just wish I could fly mine like that.

Cheers,
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 05:19 PM »

A Gemini with a deep turtle is very, very, wrong.  Huh
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 05:51 PM »

I was watching 'Stoked in the Park', and I can't see the trickline on ABW's kite. The October & November ones, I think. Does everyone fly the Gem with a trickline ? It could be that the videos just aren't good enough quality to see the trickline ?
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 06:14 PM »

Does everyone fly the Gem with a trickline ? It could be that the videos just aren't good enough quality to see the trickline ?

Please tell me that you are familiar with this ?

Mike.
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 08:44 PM »

Only Lars and other advance fliers can do the turtle in the Gem. The rest just cannot do it.  Cry Cry Cry  And then Gem for sell in the Swap Meet section.   Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 10:08 PM »

You guys are all too used to all these modern kites that lock into a back flip to the exclusion of all else.

The Gem does just fine in a back flip. It just doesn't live there.
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 10:08 PM »

I fly an original Gem with no mods.
I got no complaints.  JL's are just fine.  You need to change your technique, not the kite.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 10:09 PM »

hmm ... separated at birth?
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