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« on: April 27, 2010, 06:39 PM »

What are their differences ?
I like to concentrate on tricks only. Flying circle or TV screen is boring. Which bridle setting is better for doing tricks ?
My Fearless STD has 3 point bridle now. Can I convert it to take the turbo bridle ? Anyone here had it converted the Fearless STD to take the turbo bridle ?
What are your experiences on the subject ?
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 07:11 PM »

3 point:
This is the stick shift of bridles.
Immediate response of kite to inputs.

All turbo bridles.
A little more like an automatic transmission.
The AOA (Angle of Attack) adjusts to different wind conditions. But your inputs will have a slight delay as the kite finds its least resistance attitude before responding.

There are many here who can explain it better than I.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 10:04 PM »

My Vented Light has the reverse turbo bridle - I really like it.  Rollups and multiple rollups are easier/faster, it pulls less, takes smaller inputs, and some tricks like the Taz (and maybe flick flacks) seem to come more easily. 

Having said that, the 3pt is also a great bridle - I fly both all the time with little to no adjustment between the 2, the kite still has the same basic feel and strengths with either bridle.  Fly them side by side and you see a difference, but just grab one for the day and either bridle just works great.

The tradeoff for me is in the strength of the feedback.  The turbo still has great feedback, but its less strong than the 3 point.  The Fearless doesn't pull much to begin with - the even lighter pull of the turbo is welcome when the wind is up.  My son likes stronger feedback/pull, so he has been staying with the 3 point. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 10:56 PM »

Trick flying is all about leverage. The 3 point bridle is a better bridle for applying leverage to the kite.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 11:49 PM »

Trick flying is all about leverage.

I'm gonna go with "eh ?" here and leave it at that.



Whilst I'm not in total agreement with everything that he says, this page from abw on the static and dynamic/turbo bridle is as comprehensive as you'll get. There's also information on bridles in here from page 18.

Bridling is as inexact a science as volcanic ash distribution and effect estimation but slightly less inconvenient. Plenty of options work, for a suitably low value of work. A lot of it comes down to because.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 01:23 AM »

It's not just about the bridle, some kite designs work better in conjunction with a 3 point and some better with a dynamic........
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 05:58 AM »

Just to confuse matters there are different styles of 3pt and Turbo

Most 'post-Nirvana' pitchy kites tend to work better with a low and wide 3pt, that style of bridle tends to help with pitch tricks, cometes and backspins but can detract from rotational moves like axels and flatspins

Many 'post-Stranger' to 'pre-Nirvana' kites tend to work well with Turbos or Active bridles, those bridles favouring rotational tricks and actives helping to get backspins out of kites when it was only just being invented

With 'pre-Stranger' and Tracer style kites a Turbo helps the kite to fly quick and get a good low wind performance while still managing a deep stall

Of course there are anomolies e.g. reverse turbos suit post-Nirvana kites, in fact bridling has more anomolies than you could shake a bridle-stick at.

You'll want to be pretty comfortable with designing your own 3pt bridles before starting on any kind of dynamic bridle but you can quickly mod a 3pt to work as a turbo using the guide on ABWs site. However it will load up the frame more and you may find your Fearless loses some of its legendary wind range if you do. Does Lam offer his kites with a turbo as an option?
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 06:19 AM »

Great info. Thanks to all that took the time to reply.  Smiley

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3 point:
This is the stick shift of bridles.
Immediate response of kite to inputs.

All turbo bridles.
A little more like an automatic transmission.
The AOA (Angle of Attack) adjusts to different wind conditions. But your inputs will have a slight delay as the kite finds its least resistance attitude before responding.

I like the 'stick shift' feature in my Fearless STD.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 06:53 AM »

I put both on my standard, tried one after the other at the same time. Ended up with the 3point, then changed back to the turbo a month later, then back to the 3 point...and then...I should probably leave them both attached again Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 12:51 PM »

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I put both on my standard, tried one after the other at the same time. Ended up with the 3point, then changed back to the turbo a month later, then back to the 3 point...and then...I should probably leave them both attached again Cheesy

Which one do you like ? Why ? Or you don't have a conclusion yet ?

Did u got the turbo bridle measurement from a Fearless with turbo bridle or you invented your own ?
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 02:42 PM »

the kite came with the turbo, then later Lam sent me the 3pt to experiment with, he made a slight change then made more. This was a loooong time ago, don't know what is the stock bridle now. I had a 3point to try on my SD also.
   I don't make conclusions...sorry. try both and YOU figure it out. Cool
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 02:55 PM »

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Does Lam offer his kites with a turbo as an option?

The Fearless STD comes with 3 pt. bridle as standard equipment. Lam never mentioned anything regarding the turbo and I assumed there is no turbo option.
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 07:01 PM »

Best bridle of all time is the Tri Axis on the Ozone.  Trick Tail dominates too.  Backflips and  yoyo's are for spaz hacks.  Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 07:07 PM »

Backflips and  yoyo's are for spaz hacks.  Cheesy
HEY! I resemble that remark!
Well...ok, not yet... But I AM trying!  Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2010, 08:04 PM »

From here:-

As per Lam, here are the current Fearless bridles:

SUL = Turbo
Light = 3 point
Standard = 3 point
Vented Light = Turbo
Vented Standard = Turbo

Hmmm... no mention of the vented SUL though.

The search function is your friend.  Wink

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