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Author Topic: Advice Needed : Alternate Framing for Dick Barne's Pizazz  (Read 1269 times)
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« on: April 30, 2010, 01:54 AM »

Hi,

Need some advice here. I am currently having a custom Dick Barnes Pizazz kite built from KPB : http://www.kiteplans.org/pln_1478/

Some info on the Pizazz : http://www.raybethell.com/html/k_01_a2.htm

In the plan, the specs lists the rods as G-Force UL rods. However I think those rods are a bit hard to come by so I'm thinking of using a mix of skyshark + hollow carbon instead.

Anybody have any variations of the Pizazz with some alternate framing? I'm not too good with what works and what messes. Hopefully it won't change the flight characteristic of the kite too much

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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 02:27 AM »

Avia G-Force UL rods are 13.1 grams each.
Skyshark 3PT rods are 12.5 grams each and P100 rods are 13.0 grams.

Maybe use P100 spine and 3PT elsewhere.  P100s may be okay on the upper leading edge if the curve on that part of the sail is even
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2010, 06:42 AM »

G Force UL's are available here at GWTW, you are correct that they are not as popular or widely carried as Skysharks but that may change with the new ownership. KaoS gave good alternatives though.

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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2010, 09:30 AM »

I don't know if Dick Barnes is still around, but he would give you some tips. He's a good guy.

I've seen Pizazzen done in a lot of different frames, even pultruded.

A big difference between Skyshark PTs and GForce is the diameter. GForce are a lot bigger around which generally makes them stiffer at a given weight, especially at the fat end. This can make a real difference in flight characteristics. Pizazz have fairly long LEs, so, depending on wind range stiffness can be an issue.

The main thing here is you don't have a frame of reference. Have you flown a Piz much? Very different to any modern kite. Very old skool. If you've flown a PBSK Bad Boy or other of that early/mid '90s ilk it will be a bit familiar, but it's got its own ways. If you had Pizazz to compare to and like the way it flew, you could work to similar flight characteristics with different framing. At this point, if you don't want to go with GFULs, then I'd say 3PTs all around, or possibly 5PT spreaders to add some stiffness overall. Going 5PT all around gets you out of UL territory, but probably be closest in feel to GFUL
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2011, 06:28 PM »

Hi this is Dick Barnes,

I am still around and can answer questions if I can navigate this site!

You can email me at dbarnes@whidbey.net
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2011, 12:56 AM »

I agree with with Allen having used a lot of GFUL, a 5PT is closer to GFUL in terms of feel
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