Backflip Headaches! - Update

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[biglos]

Kitemac,
I took the Quantum our for a few hours today and it will turtle but the timing is way different then in the video. I found out if you do a quick pop and throw slack, it will turtle no problem. If you are a bit lazy with the initial pop, it will not drop right into a turtle.

The Flare to a fade is quicker then you think it is as well. If you don't set up for it correctly, it takes a while to rotate or it will over rotate.

Hope that helps you out.

[freecheese]

Don't see what step you think is missing.

The part where you actually launch the kite into the air...

[Kitemac]

The winds were with me today at LSP:  8-10 mph off the water. 

I filled the Hypnotist sail with wind then using a quick wrist movement was able to get the backflip over and over again.  Finally!!!

I can hold the backflip only when walking forward.  This does mean the kite is losing altitude.  Can you hold it just by adjusting line tension?

I was not successful with the Lazy Susan as each time the kite would come out of the backflip but felt pretty good that one more trick was added to my collection.   

[mikenchico]

The Hypnotist is relatively heavy at 12.9 oz so it may not hold altitude on its back except in even higher winds, start high and you should have plenty of time though to try a few things.

First make sure you've given slack with your off hand before hitting the Lazy S, tension on the opposite wing will bring it out. I've also found that hitting your Lazy S attempt as soon as it goes on its back and the nose is still very deep is more reliable on kites that will fall out of a Turtle quickly. Alternately another small wrist pop while on its back followed quickly by slack may sit it deeper too.

I don't recall, does it have two bridle settings like some Prism's? If so you might try the alternate setting to see if it'll sit any deeper, that'll help with the Lazy S and may help to retain altitude while on its back too. If it then ends up being stuck on its back then just do a Lazy Susan, they usually go back to nose up after a rotation 

[Kitemac]

First make sure you've given slack with your off hand before hitting the Lazy S, tension on the opposite wing will bring it out. I've also found that hitting your Lazy S attempt as soon as it goes on its back and the nose is still very deep is more reliable on kites that will fall out of a Turtle quickly. Alternately another small wrist pop while on its back followed quickly by slack may sit it deeper too.

I don't recall, does it have two bridle settings like some Prism's? If so you might try the alternate setting to see if it'll sit any deeper, that'll help with the Lazy S and may help to retain altitude while on its back too. If it then ends up being stuck on its back then just do a Lazy Susan, they usually go back to nose up after a rotation 

Was not giving slack with my off hand maybe that is an issue.  As far as the dual settings I have the Hypnotist set up for "radical" setting.  Even with my crude skills it seems much more responsive that the Quantum with the "forgiving" setting.

As many times as I watch the DVDs I still do not pick up some of the finer points.

Thanks for the hints.

[ko]

great job mac it is hard to learn from vids but it CAN be done watch randy G's and martins vids also, sometimes you will pick up something from 1 that you missed with another  hey if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun IMO plus do what you are doing ask questions  one of the other forums in seattle is a great source .check the stickies hope this helps have fun KO

[biglos]

IMO, I think one the most important aspects is recognizing the orientation of the kite like when its in the correct position to do a trick. That is just as important as the proper input. Watch for the position the kite is in at the instant the pilot initiates the trick. This has helped me a ton.

So many times I had the kite in a position where a trick was possible but didn't even realize it.

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