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« on: May 02, 2010, 09:59 AM »

Another thread brought this to mind but it deserves it's own thread, I don't recall it being a dedicated thread during my time here.

What do you do when a trick just isn't happening for you? Do you continue to work on it or do you forget about it for a few days and go on to another trick, or do you just fly what you know?


I tend to back off, I'll go into just doing some precision, maybe start off a bit aggressive to relieve some frustration if any has built up, boxed infinity's, ground passes terminated with a kick turn back etc. Then calm down to some lazy infinity's and loops with the odd cascade thrown in to just relax.

Is it better for you to keep working on it, or will that re-enforce bad habits?

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 10:45 AM »

Old habits are hard to break, so I always take at least one day break, maybe check the vid again....then burn a fattie  Cool
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 10:48 AM »

I try to analyze what i may be doing wrong and keep on trying, if not successful , i will go on to something else i want to learn, or just practice what i know already . I will come back the next day or another time and try again.
Some tricks do take a long time to figure out and master than others. I find that to keep on trying ,especially when there is no one to point out your mistakes, just defeats the session and you end up learning the wrong inputs.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 02:26 PM »

I always take a break and just fly for fun. I like to invent shapes in the sky and watch the clouds slip under the leading edge.   I probably spend way too much time doing that.  Practice is work.  Kite flying is fun Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2010, 02:31 PM »

Sometimes working on one component of the trick helps.

A lot of tricks can be broken down a bit.

Sometimes trying a different kite (if available).

Different wind conditions.

Mainly, just a bit of time to let your body forget what it was doing and start over. Sometimes working too hard doing something the wrong way over and over can make it hard to change. Muscle memory can work against you.
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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 02:45 PM »

I thought of a bit more...
My wind usually keeps me from working on any one thing too long.  I mostly fly whatever trick the wind is right for at the moment.  But if I do get stuck on something I'll take a break and just have fun.  I like breaking tricks down too, into "subsets of basics" to quote AW.   I find if I can get a handle on one element the trick will sometimes let me in the door, so to speak.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2010, 03:59 PM »

I usually send it back and get another one, especially if it's still under warranty Grin
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2010, 04:54 PM »

Believe me, BAD muscle memory (or just wrong input memory) is a lot harder to overcome than NO memory.

This is noticed more as one increases in age...............I may get a trick down someday, but it will have taken longer than it should have for sure........If it doesn't start to work in a hlaf hour or so...........take a break.  You'll be happier for it and more successful too.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 09:01 AM »

When somethin isnt working for me, I do stall practices (landing, side slides, snap stalls); helps to loosen my feet and my hands a bit. Then do basics, then back to stalls again.

Then I think about what it is I'm doing wrong, attempt to perform the move, but instead of just trying to hit it, I pay attention to the feel of my lines (both tug and slack) and the kite position. Me and the kite are suppose to fly together, not force it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2010, 10:29 AM »

I like the fade when things are going badly - getting in smooth, holding it for a long time, sliding it left and right, slow controlled backspins.  It centers me back into being in touch with the kite.

It took me a long time to learn the comete, but I didn't practice it at all until I knew what the kite needed to do.  I think thats key - if you don't understand exactly how the kite must move during a trick, then you are wasting your time practicing it.  Once I understood how the kite should move, I got a consistent rough comete down in 2 outings.

I also agree on the "break it down" suggestion.  Especially for combo-based tricks, learning each individual move is less complex than trying string it all together at once.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2010, 04:22 PM »

When your having trouble with a trick try starting it with the other hand,works for me most times ,although it may look a little different coming from the other side.

Tricks can be very kite dependant,I have not hit a yofade with any kitea in my bag since a early proto FC , tried the trick on the newest in my bag the first attempt I choked it and nailed it the 2nd time.

That being said nothing and I mean NOTHING can take the place of Practice.... in all wind and space conditions and you will get it but it ain't going to be easy with a kite like the Quatum and such.

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