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« on: May 25, 2010, 05:54 PM »

Hi everyone - first post here.

Started flying in mid-90's but life, work and an interstate move put the kite bag in the back of the closet. Sanity has returned (sort of) and the 5 acre field and nearly unlimited wind outside my back door have convinced me to start flying again.

When I started going through the bag to catch up on "deferred maintenance" I tried to assemble my Trix (c. 1995). Of course, the instruction sheet is long gone. My aging brain can't figure out the setup. The Trix has 4 standoffs attached to the trailing edge that insert into T's on the lower spreader. There are 2 loose "whiskers" that are 3 mm x 14" with rubber caps on both ends.  There is a fitting on the LE midway between spreaders that receives one end (IIRC) but for the life of me, I can't remember where the other end goes and there aren't any pockets in the sail that I can find.

I'm hoping someone here has this kite or remembers it and can help me. Otherwise, I have to see if the AARP has a kiting forum.

This particular kite seems to have suffered the most from long storage. The lower spreader T  and 2 or 3 standoff Ts are broken and the material is brittle.  None of my other kites have this problem. Is this a Spectra quality issue and should I plan to replace everything now?

Thanks for any help you can give.
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 06:09 PM »

  on the  back side  of  the  sail  there  is  a pocket  for   the  other  end  of  the  long   stand  off  rod    but  it  not  a  stand off   more  of  a  wing  batton   and   welcome  to the   forum 
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 07:34 PM »

... The lower spreader T  and 2 or 3 standoff Ts are broken and the material is brittle.  None of my other kites have this problem. Is this a Spectra quality issue and should I plan to replace everything now?


Sounds like it used the same fittings as the Utopia's etc, they die over time, nobody knew it at the time they came out though. If you can measure the diameter of the rods or find some ID on them I bet Steve here can set you up with some nice new APA or other suitable replacements parts.

Hope you can get her resurrected, and welcome back  Smiley



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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 08:09 PM »

Glad you're getting your kites out again!!!

Yup, the fittings used on the Spectra Sport kites did not age well. It is probably framed in Skyshark 5P wrapped carbon rods. Contact Steve here at GWTW for the right replacement fittings. APA LE and spreader/standoff fittings are the way to go. There are different types of Center T fittings you can use. Steve is really good at getting the right parts out to you ASAP.

Have fun! The Trix is a neat kite. I fly it's sibling, the Reactor, a lot. Same mid-'90s frame & fitting issues.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 11:21 PM »

Spectra Trix

Creator       Scott Augenbaugh
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Kite          Trix
WINGS              57.0
Materials            6mm GRPH
SPINE               31.0
Material            6mm GRPH
LWR SPRDR            29.5
Material            6mm GRPH
UPPER SPRDR   16.75
Material           6mm GRPH
BATTENS        16.0
Material           3/32 GR
STANDOFF            9.25
Material           3/32 GR

Jun 1995 Paul Eiler review
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 11:29 PM »

A cleaner-cut dual line flyer you will rarely see!  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 12:38 AM »

"Remember, though, hand position and timing are crucial."

At that point the kite bursts into flames. Apparently the Spectra Trix was not a forgiving kite.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2010, 04:11 PM »

Thanks for the replies. Never thought to look on the back side of the sail for a pocket - doh!

Kiteking - I'd already seen the review and the video but didn't realize it was a Trix. Mine never flew like that, though - might have something to do with the pilot.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2016, 08:52 PM »

Greetings. Resurrecting a Spectra Sport Trix and in doing research came across this forum and older thread. Decided to bump it as it adequately describes the repair problem I will need to do in replacing the deteriorated centre T and standoff connectors. The kite sat unused for ages.

Any thoughts on a particular make of brand of hardware (APA etc) would be useful as I will need to source them. I am in Canada (Toronto area) and have been out of touch with the kiting community for a decade (or two).

In addition, the 'melted' parts left a bit of an oily residue on the sail in some spots so any thoughts on an appropriate cleaning method for that would also be helpful, as well as any other pointers on such a project in general or further things to look for. Others in the same position may point to additional parts I may have to tackle as well, such as the standoffs themselves, or rather their mounts, etc

It appears I have the same problem with an older Flying Wings vented design (that I've forgotten the name of) and who knows what else needs work amongst those kites down in the dungeon such as my PBSK - best addressed in another thread when I get that far I suppose.

I hope that posting this question the way I have rather than starting a new thread is acceptable here.

Perfect winds.

Hi everyone - first post here.

Started flying in mid-90's but life, work and an interstate move put the kite bag in the back of the closet. Sanity has returned (sort of) and the 5 acre field and nearly unlimited wind outside my back door have convinced me to start flying again.

When I started going through the bag to catch up on "deferred maintenance" I tried to assemble my Trix (c. 1995). Of course, the instruction sheet is long gone. My aging brain can't figure out the setup. The Trix has 4 standoffs attached to the trailing edge that insert into T's on the lower spreader. There are 2 loose "whiskers" that are 3 mm x 14" with rubber caps on both ends.  There is a fitting on the LE midway between spreaders that receives one end (IIRC) but for the life of me, I can't remember where the other end goes and there aren't any pockets in the sail that I can find.

I'm hoping someone here has this kite or remembers it and can help me. Otherwise, I have to see if the AARP has a kiting forum.

This particular kite seems to have suffered the most from long storage. The lower spreader T  and 2 or 3 standoff Ts are broken and the material is brittle.  None of my other kites have this problem. Is this a Spectra quality issue and should I plan to replace everything now?

Thanks for any help you can give.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2016, 10:35 PM »

I've flown the Spectra Reactors a LOT over the years which I believe had the same frame and fittings as the Trix. All have rotted fittings. The fittings and set up below have never failed, even in very strong wind.

Assuming the Trix has Skyshark 5P spars (I believe most did)

LE Fittings

APA .254/.265 Size C - a bit small - need to be drilled out for best fit
APA .285/.318 Size D - Fits spreader end pretty tight, but loose on the LE (use c-clip or tubing stoppers above and below)

Center T

Back in the day, Skyshark recommended an external aluminum ferrule for the 3,5,7 "P" rods (probably what you have) but it's hard to find an appropriately sized fitting to hold that big ferrule. I switched to internal 2400 solid carbon ferrules and this T:

http://www.kitesandfunthings.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=P2030



Get a long internal ferrule (4"). I ream out the center t so that the two spreaders meet in the middle with a snug fit.

The spreader/standoff fittings may look ok, but are most likely rotten too and will break in flight. Get APA replacements. I don't know how the standoffs are attached to the sail trailing edge on that kite, but if you need new gear there, these work well (may need to drill out to fit the standoff)

http://www.kitesandfunthings.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=P2047

If the standoffs themselves need to be replaced, be sure to determine if they are fiberglass or carbon. Big difference in flex, and resulting flight behavior. Some times stiffer carbon standoffs don't work well in older kites designed with flexible fiberglass. Drop or tap the rod on a hard surface. Carbon sounds metallic, FG sounds like plastic. (that, and FG is often smooth and carbon rough)

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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2016, 10:49 PM »

Greetings. Resurrecting a Spectra Sport Trix and in doing research came across this forum and older thread. Decided to bump it as it adequately describes the repair problem I will need to do in replacing the deteriorated centre T and standoff connectors. The kite sat unused for ages.

Any thoughts on a particular make of brand of hardware (APA etc) would be useful as I will need to source them. I am in Canada (Toronto area) and have been out of touch with the kiting community for a decade (or two).

In addition, the 'melted' parts left a bit of an oily residue on the sail in some spots so any thoughts on an appropriate cleaning method for that would also be helpful, as well as any other pointers on such a project in general or further things to look for. Others in the same position may point to additional parts I may have to tackle as well, such as the standoffs themselves, or rather their mounts, etc

It appears I have the same problem with an older Flying Wings vented design (that I've forgotten the name of) and who knows what else needs work amongst those kites down in the dungeon such as my PBSK - best addressed in another thread when I get that far I suppose.

I hope that posting this question the way I have rather than starting a new thread is acceptable here.

Perfect winds.

I've got a Trix and live in BC. I probably have some parts to get your kite flying again.

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 04:55 AM »

Awesome, thanks to the both of you for your helpful and speedy replies. The advantage of being in an eastern time zone is I wake up to answers this morning!

I will have to check whether the spars for my vented version are the same as the standard and if not whether there is a dimensional difference I suppose.

BTW enjoyed that Aughenbaugh video which I haven't seen in over 15 years - was it truncated in the posted youtube version? It seems that it may have been a bit longer iirc, c/b wrong. (Hmmm was there a VHS tape that came with the kite I wonder ...)

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