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« on: August 04, 2010, 08:54 AM »

Hello,
I have a Silver Fox 2.3 UL which I'm enjoying very much. The one complaint is the weight, it's a tank. I live inland where the winds rarely allow me to fly it. My question(s) are: would reframing the kite to lighten it up change the way it flies, better or worse? Would it be worth it? If so, what would be the best sticks to use? I know buying a better, true UL would be the way to go but there aren't many options here to test fly other kites. Plus as I mentioned I do really like the kite.
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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2010, 09:03 AM »

depends on what's in the kite already.
Reframing the kite can also take away a lot of momentum with tricking, so beware of that. You can add weight, but that could potentially create oversteer if it's all in the tail.

Again, not sure what's in it, but a lot of UL's have 3pts and sticks like that in it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2010, 09:48 AM »

It has "Dynamic" T12 and T15 which I'm not familiar with. Don't know the weight or stiffness compared to better rods.
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2010, 10:29 AM »

It has "Dynamic" T12 and T15 which I'm not familiar with. Don't know the weight or stiffness compared to better rods.

I think Dynamic's rod names correspond to the weight and type. T12 = tapered 12g. The Ds are straight. D12 = straight 12g etc. I haven't ever had any trouble with Dynamics but they seem springier than SS rods.

What are the frame specs on the 2.3UL? I used to have the 2.5 UL and I think the LS were T15. So you may swap out the LS with something lighter first & see what you think. It may be hard to get the weight off a SF just by reframing, I think you'd have to go with P90, P100, T10, 2PTs on the LEs and maybe T12 / 3PTs on the LS. Take a look at the weight of the spine too but I'd probably change that last.
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2010, 10:37 AM »

T12 weigh about 12 grams

T15 weigh about 15 grams

Skyshark 3Pts weigh about 12.5 grams, 2Pts weigh about 9 grams

the cost of a new frame & LE connectors would be a significant % of the SF 2.3 UL's cost

the cheapest option might be swapping the stock LE connectors with TAPA connectors, you'd save several grams for each connector, but you'd have to re-size the holes to fit your stock spars
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 10:39 AM »

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Dynamic's rod names correspond to the weight and type. T12 = tapered 12g. The Ds are straight. D12 = straight 12g etc
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2010, 10:47 AM »

Good point on the LE connectors. I forgot what LE connectors the SF UL used but if they are APA or similar changing APAs to TAPAs will save about 1/2 oz alone.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2010, 11:27 AM »

I'd say the most bang for the buck would be to use P90s in the LEs and spine, and re-purpose the T12s for lower spreaders (if they are long enough). Lighter LE and other fittings help. A lighter upper spreader will be needed to ballance the kite. All this won't make a really light UL, but will help.

Getting the static ballance the same is a good starting point on a reframe. Hold the stock kite over your head ballanced on the spine on your finger tip. Mark the sail at the ballance point. Weight, length and position of the upper spreader is a main way to tune a kite after a reframe.

Reframing a kite can be a huge time suck, and you can end up with a kite that sucks. Be prepared to put the kite back the way you found it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2010, 12:11 PM »

Thanks for all the advice. Gives me some things to try.
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2010, 12:24 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 12:29 PM »

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Reframing a kite can be a huge time suck, and you can end up with a kite that sucks. Be prepared to put the kite back the way you found it.
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True!  See the "what makes a $500 kite" thread.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 01:09 PM »

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True!  See the "what makes a $500 kite" thread.
How does that possibly apply to this thread?
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 02:08 PM »

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True!  See the "what makes a $500 kite" thread.
How does that possibly apply to this thread?

You can spend alot of time and money trying to make a kite better - its part of what you are paying for when you buy one (I think).
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2010, 02:43 PM »

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Agreed.  As much as I LOVE to tinker, I'm letting the wisdom of others influence my kite modifications.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 02:56 PM »

I've reframed several kites and it's not always as straight forward as it seems like it will be when you 1st dive in. I eventually got them all flying well but be prepared to swap things around, change tail weights and maybe tweak the bridle a little too. This takes time but I have a better understanding of how changes affect the kite's flying / tricking. Anyway, I feel it was time well spent for the knowledge gained. Try to have fun with it and then you'll have the enjoyment in that no matter the outcome.
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