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Author Topic: I have new standard level one JJF- I want to refit with PX 1 & Px2 frame  (Read 2060 times)
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« on: August 26, 2010, 03:06 AM »

I just bought a standard level one -any suggestions for the leading edge or spine shafts. Should I go Sky Shark Black Diamond  for the spreaders?
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 04:18 AM »

What are you trying to achieve that the standard kite doesn't give you?
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 12:13 PM »

I am also scratching my head as the JJF is just plain awesome the way it is.  I don't think you could really improve on it much over factory, why do you see the need for a change?
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2010, 02:19 PM »

I would recommend the Excalibur frame for it. See here: http://new.levelonekites.com/content/view/94/91/
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2010, 07:09 PM »

Did your kite not come with a frame?
Or do you just think the person that designed it didn't know what they were doing? And if so, why did you buy it?
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2010, 07:14 PM »

What are you trying to achieve that the standard kite doesn't give you?

Hi Kevin,
I think the JJF is an awesome kite but I just don't like the structil leading edge so what I am trying to achieve is to have all the frame with the same look and maybe a higher strength frame set.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2010, 09:09 PM »

One of the sweet characteristics of the JJF (at least in my hands) is that it doesn't complain and shudder in higher (15-20mph) winds that vex its older brother (L1 Genesis) as factory framed.  Drive may suffer when the breeze drops, but it seems at home when the wind stiffens up.  Not sure there's really much advantage to be had from switching out rods.

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2010, 12:23 AM »

What are you trying to achieve that the standard kite doesn't give you?

Hi Kevin,
I think the JJF is an awesome kite but I just don't like the structil leading edge so what I am trying to achieve is to have all the frame with the same look and maybe a higher strength frame set.

Understood - 5.5 mm leading edges can be a bit on the delicate side!

It looks like the Excalibur frame set is P200 and 5PT based - probably a good starting point.  I would err on the side of conservatism and use P200 leading edges and spine (inexpensive, very robust, similar weight to what you already have) and probably opt for Black Diamond Nitro lower spreaders.  There really isn't a huge difference between BD Nitros and 5PTs, you could use either for the lower spreaders.  One consideration is the cost difference you can get them for. 

I prefer the Nitros smooth finish and slightly better stiffness around the centre T.  But I've snapped two in the past two weeks being too aggressive with flapjack/multilazies, so they can get expensive ;-)
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 07:33 AM »

I would recommend the Excalibur frame for it. See here: http://new.levelonekites.com/content/view/94/91/


Hi Jurgen,

I like the way you think and I think your closer to truth that I need to achieve. You have to look at all the JJF's, std's through to customs. You know I do like the odd custom kite. LOL. At this stage I still want the spine to be PX2 the leading edge PX1 or PX2, not sure.   
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 09:52 AM »

At this stage I still want the spine to be PX2 the leading edge PX1 or PX2, not sure.  

not certain if you read this message: http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=3572.msg35077#msg35077 but the PX series rods are going away.......make sure to purchase some extra ones!
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2010, 04:53 PM »

It sounds as though you're more concerned with the cosmetics of the kite than how it will fly. I can understand that. You know SkyShark do a limited number of anti-clockwise wound wrapped spars? (They have to run the machine backwards at the beginning and end to take the tension out) If you were to choose a wrapped spar for the re-frame then make sure you contact SkyShark to get half the spars in this anti-clockwise wrap configuration and that way the kite will be symmetrical too. :-)
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 04:42 AM »

You can always make your own experience, but I can assure you, most, if not all, spar combos have been tried out before the final versions. Good luck.
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