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« on: September 08, 2010, 05:02 PM »

I've scoured the web for an answer to this question, and searched the forum to no avail, which leads me to this post...

I've got an original Frank Schwiemann Ghost and the short end of the leading edge (wing tip) splintered when it was picked up in a gust and pressed against a pole.

I'm fairly certain it's fiberglass, but can anyone confirm exactly what rods this beast is framed with?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-Jeff
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 06:16 PM »

I've scoured the web for an answer to this question, and searched the forum to no avail, which leads me to this post...

I've got an original Frank Schwiemann Ghost and the short end of the leading edge (wing tip) splintered when it was picked up in a gust and pressed against a pole.

I'm fairly certain it's fiberglass, but can anyone confirm exactly what rods this beast is framed with?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-Jeff

Is the spar exposed, or can you get it exposed by removing it from the sleeve, and take a picture?  That would certainly help.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 07:49 PM »

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Is the spar exposed, or can you get it exposed by removing it from the sleeve, and take a picture?  That would certainly help.

Hopefully this helps... No other damage than the short end of the leading edge, I also removed the ferule and included it in the images.

-Jeff

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 08:11 PM »

I thought it was Carbon pultrude, about 10mm, but this page says fiberglass 1605 Excel
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 10:09 PM »

Mine has fiberglass rods.  I had to replace the spreader some years back and used a FL 505 as I recall.  If I can remember I will pull mine out and get some spec's.  In the mean time you might want to throw some calipers on those rods so we know exactly the size you need.
I wouldn't be surprised if different years may have had slightly different rods.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2010, 03:58 AM »

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Is the spar exposed, or can you get it exposed by removing it from the sleeve, and take a picture?  That would certainly help.

Hopefully this helps... No other damage than the short end of the leading edge, I also removed the ferule and included it in the images.

-Jeff

Excellent.  Now, as best as you can, get the three dimensions off of it that will tell us what it is.

Outside diameter, Inside diameter, and overall length.  Measure the diameters on the end that is still intact, if you can (hopefully that end cap is removable, or you can measure the end of the spar that this split one was ferruled to.)

It looks like fiberglass in the pics, but it's a little hard to tell.  The diameters will tell (me) a lot more.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2010, 05:46 AM »

If you have an original Ghost made by Frank, it should have carbon rods. (Our production model uses fiberglass). Problem is that Frank used a variety of rods and fabrics. All worked well. But there is no standard so you need to measure what you have.

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2010, 06:28 AM »

Definitely measure the ID and OD to size it. You can also rub the end on a piece of fine sandpaper, fiberglass should leave a white dust and carbon a black dust. Also if you have an electrical multimeter you can do a continuity test, the carbon will show a reading, the fiberglass will not. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2010, 06:30 AM »

the one i had was carbon...

easy way to tell: grab a multimeter and put the leads on the rod....carbon conducts electricity and fiberglas does not...

just make certain that the right/left are balanced....
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2010, 09:10 AM »

Kiting now promotes the sales of calipers and multimeters.  I had been wanting a digital caliper for years, but kiting finally pushed it over the edge.  Oh the geeky humanity of it all.   Cry 

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2010, 10:33 AM »

Just for you Jeff I unrolled my Pyro and checked the spars.  Mine has 8mm carbon tubes (OD .315" wall .040").  If yours is the same I got you covered buddy.  Drop me an email and we'll get that beauty back in the air.  For the record I replaced the spreader with the 8mm carbon but had to extend the length as it was over the max length of 48" that is readily available in that spar.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2010, 11:46 AM »

The end cap is securely glued on, but I can use the longer rod from the other side of the ferrule just as well. I've got the calipers in my laptop bag and I'll take some measurements tonight when I get home.

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2010, 08:26 AM »

8mm carbon tube - OD: .315" wall: 0.040" Length: 26 1/16"

That'd be it! I sent an email to you with a list of some other things I'm needing as well, will await your response.

Thanks all for the help.  Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2010, 01:23 PM »

I'd reccomend getting a 60" tube (which is a common length for 8mm carbon) and just cut it to two pieces at 26.5" (might save a buck or 2)
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