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Author Topic: EXILE OR WIDOW MAKER KITE ??  (Read 2440 times)
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« on: September 13, 2010, 02:47 AM »

ok guys,well iv ordered and paid from bris kites on friday a prism 4d kite to muck around with on crap lite no winds days i get here in inland melb ,vic

so,for my next kite as in quality perf kite ,should i buy bm exile or widow maker kite??

keep in mind crap,unruly,inland blasted winds or lack of it that is
its either blowing a gale or no wind at all!!
or what is a quality kite that has a wide wind range ranging from 1 mph up to say 15 mph if there is one of course??

i would get a kite made up as in all black color,some thing diff,prob with 2 red color eyes for looks.
would that look cool ??
thanks
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2010, 06:39 AM »

I learned on these 2 kites. Both kites are extremely well made and will take a ton of abuse. The Exile will fly in a bit less wind than the Widow Maker but it gets real fast when the wind gets over 8 mph or so. By 15 mph its ballistic. I found the Widow Maker a bit easier to learn tricks on. Either would be a good choice. Personally I'd lean towards the Widow Maker though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2010, 06:54 AM »

Widow Maker alllll the way, for your conditions described. Or, because the winds are up and down, try the Mongoose.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 01:03 AM »

HI GUYS
ok,thanks for ya suggestions and info
cheers
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 07:43 PM »

+1 for the Widowmaker.  I have the Exile and love it, but its not happy in rough, inland winds.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2010, 01:47 PM »

+2 for the Widowmaker!  If you get one - be prepared to pick up the UL too.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 01:27 AM »

ok,i will get the widow maker then
thanks for the advice guys
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 02:17 AM »

I have the Exile and love it, but its not happy in rough, inland winds.
Try shortening the bridle uphaul of the Exile Std by 1/2" and see if that helps smooth things out a bit for you.  I really like the bridle there.

To experiment, loosen the cow hitch knot just above the upper spreader connector and tie an extra overhand knot right next to the current stopper knot to shorten the leg. Then pull the knot tight again. The uphaul length should then be 22 1/2" from frame to towpoint larkshead.

If you don't like it, untie the extra knot.

Oh yes, both the Exile and Widowmaker are excellent kites and do well inland.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 02:41 AM »

ok then thanks
now,should i just get the standard version and give that a try first??
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2010, 03:18 AM »

ok then thanks
now,should i just get the standard version and give that a try first??
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For your wind range you will want both the Std and UL.  Conventional wisdom is to get the Std first.  Same advice for either model you pick.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2010, 03:27 AM »

ok,thanks mate!!!
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2010, 07:08 AM »

I have a standard Widowmaker and love it - very forgiving in lumpy winds.  It flies in lighter winds than a standard Exile, it has a very low bottom end for a standard.  The Exile is better at precision, but no less equipped at tricking.  The Exile gets a bit fast in stronger winds.

Both the Widowmaker UL and Exile UL lose a bit in the tricking department (and I mean a bit...i.e. not much!)

Both brands are excellently manufactured.  You won't be disappointed with either choice
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2010, 07:49 AM »

Yep get the standard, as the wind drops I pull off the upper spreader and the tail weight (easy on the Widowmaker, it's Velcro), it will go very low in that form. With those Nitro rods you won't really notice an increased amount of flex and the balance is still pretty good, it'll still roll up fine.

I always wanted to do a Light version, an Ultra Light sail, keep the Nitro's replace the upper spreader with an .1800 and TAPA's and use a P200 spine, probably nick 5 grams off the tail weight. I'm guessing it would do an honest 2.5 mph low end in that format without giving up much in rotational mass or stiffness.
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2010, 09:15 AM »

Yep get the standard, as the wind drops I pull off the upper spreader and the tail weight (easy on the Widowmaker, it's Velcro), it will go very low in that form. With those Nitro rods you won't really notice an increased amount of flex and the balance is still pretty good, it'll still roll up fine.

I always wanted to do a Light version, an Ultra Light sail, keep the Nitro's replace the upper spreader with an .1800 and TAPA's and use a P200 spine, probably nick 5 grams off the tail weight. I'm guessing it would do an honest 2.5 mph low end in that format without giving up much in rotational mass or stiffness.

Interesting.  I like to do something similar - a standard lite.  Take a std sail and frame it as a UL (3PT/P100 LEs). Use TAPA for US and full size APAs for the LSs then swap out 3PT or 5PT LSs based on the winds. If you add a 4th bridle leg, P100 LEs will take Std winds just fine.  Makes for a pretty versatile kite and works well inland. Have done this with Mamba, Mantis, Exile and Mongoose (proto). Paul has done this with the Sano as well.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2010, 12:13 PM »

Lam's Transformer is made like this as well (UL frame, 5pt LS) - they fly very low, but will also take the full wind of a standard just fine.  Personally, I think the UL frame just makes the kite feel better all around.

The trick, I imagine, is making the design so that it easily handles high pressure while also flying great in low pressure as well.
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