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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2010, 05:44 PM »

I agree with most of the fine guys here suggesting replacing a broken line, but what I generally do with a line that is broken in the middle due to friction with other pilots lines or some sharp obstacle (you know, trees, columns, things like that) is repair it using a blood knot (look for instructions here: http://www.netknots.com/html/blood_knot.html), it is easy enough to be tied on the field and it could save the day if you don't happen to have a spare line at hand. Then I usually leave this line set in my bag as a spare or to donate it to some beginner pilot to get him out of those heavy dacron lines that come with some beginner kites. Anyway, in my experience, this knot is very resisting once you learn to tie it well, particularly if you have a lighter at hand and can melt the ends once tied. I've seen one of these  lines I repaired being flown in quite strong winds without slipping or breaking the line again.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2010, 05:57 PM »

Usually in the summer here in NJ I fly before the crowds head to the beach so I am out there on the weekends around 7:00AM. So the winds are very light  at this time sometimes just 0.5 mph or so ... sometimes so light I will start out with a Benson Inner Space move to Lam's Tattoo then a SD-SULUL,Light, etc.  So in this kite transition I usually stay with the 50# lines to the SD-Light. Sometimes I fly anywhere from 50' for some fast tricking to 80' custom lines which is my preferred length. The beach width can't handle 100' particularly at high tide. It could but it would be difficult with the beach walkers and dogs in AP. This is the only reason I was looking for some quick knot ... if the line breaks at the loop or handle for me I can handle the break ... if its in the middle ... I usually trash the line. I like this Norm knot and will give it a go for the END BREAKS.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2010, 01:19 AM »

+1 to everybody's posts, but. . . when I was first trained as a "sailor" a LONG time ago, I was taught that the strongest bond between two lines, after a splice, was two bowlines looped together with a reef knot. You tie one bowline, weave the other line through it into a reef knot -- NOT a granny knot!! -- then finish the second loop into a bowline. Slide the bowlines around until they're centered, and there you are.

No, I've never actually repaired flying lines that way.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2010, 02:06 PM »

I agree with most of the fine guys here suggesting replacing a broken line I've seen one of these  lines I repaired being flown in quite strong winds without slipping or breaking the line again.
After you repaired them with the blood knot and they worked in quite strong winds without slipping or breaking again: Why would you want to replace them?

Because a knot in the middle of one of the lines means a lot of drag on the other line when the lines are twisted and you are trying to trick.

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