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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 02:20 PM »

cids bottom line is that you get it right. if it takes 10 minutes or ten days you will have learned something and hopfully had fun doing it ps tie me up a set while you are at it LOL
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 04:36 PM »

I don't see 1 1/2 hours as out of line for a first attempt either when you don't know how much line a knot is going to take etc.

Anyway here's a nice video from Ken McNeill showing the Blue Moon Kites method of attaching the bridle (cow hitch). It may make future attempts easier although it would be a modification on your original it is functionally the same and you could even tie it alongside the original bridle without removing it. Otherwise mark the original where it meets the spar then remove, mark the new lines the same and cut 5"-6" inches long past those marks, hold the mark against the spar and tie the Cow Hitch then mark where you need the stopper knot, untie, tie the stopper, retie and check, move the stopper as necessary.

I wondered when we learned this in the Muse workshop too, but I've never had one come undone, not even the ones I tied.

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 06:30 PM »

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I don't see 1 1/2 hours as out of line for a first attempt either when you don't know how much line a knot is going to take etc.
The first attempt was worse. It took me longer than 1.5 hrs. since I needed to figured out how to tie those damn knots. Wink  I think I'm not a knot guy. I don't do fishing either.  May be this is the root of the problem ? Cheesy  I see the guy in the video has long finger nails and also Lam gets the same features in his fingers. Cheesy  I think this is a good tool for doing the knots(or undoing it) that I don't have right now.  It takes a long time to position the knot in the required measurement.  It always come out short or too much. Then the undoing part, which is taking a while to do since I don't have long nails.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  Anyway, I'm getting better since I have more experiences in doing/undoing the knots.  Thanks for the video.

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cids bottom line is that you get it right. if it takes 10 minutes or ten days you will have learned something and hopfully had fun doing it ps tie me up a set while you are at it LOL
Doing the bridle line thing is not fun at all.  I prefer to trick the kite more.  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2010, 07:46 PM »

Cowslip is easy - just remember over over under under. Over the rod, over the line, under the rod, under the line.

Other than that, it was overhand knots and larks head for the bridle that I tied. 
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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2010, 10:22 PM »

I burn threw a fearless bridle about twice a year. All the knots are half hitches, just a matter of making both sides even.  Send me 15 ft of bridle line and I would be happy to make you a set of Fearless out-haul lays. ( I make the 3 point ). If you need the in-haul I can do that too, but it is stupid easy.
I have not tried to make the Turbo yet,,, so your on your own if you need one of those.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2010, 11:06 PM »

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Add what felt like an hour for getting the knots undone on the old bridle
Is that like "it felt like an hour" but it really was nothing like that in the same way that "it felt like 25mph" but in reality....? Wink

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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 03:10 AM »

The first time I tied a full bridle - a cross active for a Benson Gemini - it took me 1 1/2-2 hours, mainly as I was checking and rechecking all the lengths and knots- it was pretty stressful! Now I can usually tie one up in under half an hour as I know the knots.

If you want a good guide to the knots you need look here.http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/knots.html
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2010, 04:26 AM »

Whenever I do something new like this, it normally takes me three attempts to get good at it.

The first attempt is to dissect the project, develop a strategy, learn the techniques, and how the materials work.  The first attempt takes considerable time and I often throw the results away.

The second attempt is faster, works out the kinks, and often usable as a prototype.

The third attempt is much faster and pretty close to the original in results.

The time it takes, is the time it takes.  I'm thinking it is time to build a whole kite.....
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2010, 05:23 AM »

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The first time I tied a full bridle - a cross active for a Benson Gemini - it took me 1 1/2-2 hours, mainly as I was checking and rechecking all the lengths and knots- it was pretty stressful! Now I can usually tie one up in under half an hour as I know the knots.

If you want a good guide to the knots you need look here.http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/knots.html


Great link. Thanks.  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 05:50 AM »

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The first attempt is to dissect the project, develop a strategy, learn the techniques, and how the materials work.  The first attempt takes considerable time and I often throw the results away.
Just to be clear... we are still talking about some string and a few knots here and not an innovative new approach open heart surgery under artillery fire, yes ?  Huh

Clearly there are complexities at work here that I had not previously appreciated 'cos if something as apparently simple as making a new bridle was taking me the hours stated I'd pretty much come to the conclusion that I was doing something seriously wrong in some way.

Each to their own I suppose.  Embarrassed

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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2010, 08:04 AM »

Just to be clear... we are still talking about some string and a few knots here and not an innovative new approach open heart surgery under artillery fire, yes ?  Huh

Nice imagery Mike! Reminds me of scenes from "Saving Private Ryan".  Have never thought of kites as medical training but we could tie the sutures and perhaps the sewing procedures  Huh  Cheesy

Yes bridles are not that difficult.  The point is that first attempts usually take more time than one would think....
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