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« on: October 18, 2010, 07:35 PM »

So I was wondering what the advantages and disadvantages of Rollbars vs Yo-Yo stop were. I have seen a lot of newer kite designs leaning toward Rollbars and was wondering if this was more of a trend or based on some overall experience amongst flyers? Is it just personal preference? does it really matter?

What are people's opinions and experiences with each....

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 12:48 AM »

Roll bars don't snag, are almost impossible to miss and make multiple roll-ups easy.
Someone will no doubt call them trainer wheels but why? they work well.

OTOH I've got no problem with yo-yo stops or yo-yo lines either its all good, just different ways of achieving the same end.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 01:46 AM »

A roll-bar equipped kite has an extra handy characteristic - when the kite is on it's back on the ground, you can let it rock backwards so the nose comes off the ground, and then launch it in a fade with a gentle pull.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 06:47 AM »

Yep, the fade launch is a very cool attribute of roll bars. I don't roll up often myself and normally hit the yo yo stops ok when I do so the other advantages haven't really manifested themselves, maybe if I was quicker and didn't have to spend so much time setting up they would prove themselves more usefull. I do snag lines on yo yo stops though but I doubt a line over a roll bar would release easier.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 07:03 AM »

Roll bars don't snag, are almost impossible to miss and make multiple roll-ups easy.
Someone will no doubt call them trainer wheels but why? they work well
A roll-bar equipped kite has an extra handy characteristic - when the kite is on it's back on the ground, you can let it rock backwards so the nose comes off the ground, and then launch it in a fade with a gentle pull.
Also , it does not hamper flight or tricks. Since i started using roll bars , i am getting rollups most of the time.   Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 07:44 AM »

Since I have no doubt Eric will one day want to compete... Would rollbars be frowned upon in that kind of situation? Or does it just, as was said, make for good training until that point....

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 11:25 AM »

I've only ever flown a few kites with them - and they definitely do work to easily catch the lines, particularly with a fast moving kite, but I don't think that they are really necessary (the yoyo is pretty easy once you get the hang of it).  The only downside I suppose would be perhaps extra weight, but they seem pretty light (except for the french connection I once tried).

Much of competition flying (aside from hot tricks) does not involve multi-yoyos.  Not that you can't do them in your routine, I just haven't seen it.  I would imagine that with the right music and timing, it could be pretty impressive.  To be able to do it that reliably well however, you probably don't need rollbars.

That said, everyone that I know who use them, love rollbars.

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 04:38 PM »

 RollBars ? could someone post pic. never seen any.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 04:47 PM »

http://www.bensonkites.com/kites/deepspace.html
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 05:05 PM »

Here is a video regarding a kite using Yo Rings ...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 06:45 PM »

Most of the kites that i fly regularly (mantis and SF) have yo-yo stoppers on them. I haven't yet flown any that have rollbars so its good to know that for the most part there is little difference. I can see how they would make multi-yoyos really easy and that might be fun. But as others have said I don't usually have trouble hitting the stoppers.

I hadn't thought too much about the advantages they offer for kites on the ground but that is a really good point.

Thanks for all the input so far.... I wasn't sure if it was a feature I should be looking for in potential new kites or if it was something that kinda would just be "another way".

Thanks!
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 06:49 PM »

@cids - the yo-rings look kewl ... I love watching the french flyers (i assume the pilot was french) .... the vids however seem a little over produced with more "wiz-bang" than clear flying shots.... lol can you talk to them about that Smiley ... thanks again!!
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 07:05 PM »

Another issue is that rolling your lines around the sail can cause the sail to bunch up, due to the wrapping. Roll bars counteract the "squashing" action to a certain extent.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 09:30 PM »

The only occaissional downside to roll bars that I've come across is that the lines will sometimes hit the bars during tricks with spin components due to pilot error, but that's a matter of technique.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 09:59 PM »

The only occaissional downside to roll bars that I've come across is that the lines will sometimes hit the bars during tricks with spin components due to pilot error, but that's a matter of technique.

So that could be considered a plus.... as they might teach you to be cleaner with your spins :p ... nice...



I think I would like to try them sometime... has anyone tried retro fitting them to a kite not initially designed for them?
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