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Author Topic: Skyburner Std vs. UL- that much difference?  (Read 3192 times)
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2010, 06:37 AM »

Thanks again, all of you.  I'm soaking this all up like a sponge and appreciate your time, effort, and willingness to share with a beginner.  It's not wasted on me!




If you go HERE there is a really good kite book free to download. It should help you a lot with the various names and tricks you will read about here on the forum. Wink
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2010, 08:18 PM »

Thanks for that last link.  Actually, I'd already downloaded that pub on advice from a previous post here.  Thanks everyone again for your input and advice.  I think my learning curve is steepening now, but there's so much more to this than I ever could have imagined!  Fun though, and satisfying when tips are applied and things come together.

By the way, after weighing everything over and over, finally decided on the Widow Maker Std (orange fade).  The Delta Drive will have to wait for another day.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2010, 12:07 AM »

I don't think you'll be sorry with a Widowmaker, the orange fade is nice (I call it "Sunrise")



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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 09:47 AM »

The last video I posted really sort of demonstrates what everyone is saying.  I WAS flying an Ocius ul.  The wind died down to the point I could barely fly.  Devin was flying the Ocius sul which is lighter and he had No problem.
Really impressed by everyone's input.  Having just completed my Rookie Year and owning a Delta Drive,Widow Maker,Ocius,Ociusul and Pro Dancersul and little "Zoomer". Everyone's advice was solid.  My Delta Drive was Jon's.  He had it tweeked between a standard and ul. It is so nice to fly and smooth.
However, it doesn't get the air time it deserves.  the others have been able to teach me more,then I apply it to the DD.  The colors in the DD are beautiful on a sunny blue and silver cloud day.  Looking at Mike's WM one can imagine the sun in the background. It has to be beautiful.  That is the extra we rarely talk about when flying sport kites.  The Background.
Sun,water,trees,blue sky.  Make sure your kite fits the sky pattern you enjoy.

Kites cost money.  From a $20.00 Zoomer to a $300.00 Widow Maker.  You don't buy all your kites on the same day.  i didn't walk into Kites and Fun Things and say to Jon ..."...Hey. give me one of each...". lol.     
Buy something now when prices are lower.  then buy in spring.  Last year I bought a Jordan 50 single line kite.  It's 50sq. ft. of sail and has two 75 ft. tails.  Fly's on 250 lb. line.  It was around $400.  It was over my budget so I had saved an extra $150 and used that also to differ cost.  I save my change in a jar.  I get about $100 bucks every 3-4 months.  I call it my kite money.  I did not fly the Jordan 50 for almost 6 months.
Save and Buy.
This Kite hobby is cheap compared to other hobbies.  You only buy once.  you don't have o buy new ski's each year.  You don't have to get the newest golf club to play.  No green fees.  No lift cost.  No gas to buy for the boat. 
The wind is free.  Spend the money on Good Equipment.  Don't buy anything not made in USA. 
What ever sport you have been involved with did you always buy inferior equipment.  Buy the Best.  The guys who support these sites deserve our patronage.  The fact is they are a little more money, the quality is next to none.  Each major kite builder in the USA produces a quality product.
You can not go wrong.  Each builder will personally talk with buyers regarding their product.  Call any of the kite stores for great advise.
You can call Jon Trennepohl any day of the week and he will speak to you regarding kites.  What's the number of that over-seas store that sells a knock off cheaper.
Call Kenny and ask him about his kites he won't give you the run around.
Is any of this worth a few dollars more?  Of corse it is.  Plan on spending a few dollars each year on your squadron of kites.  I just ordered the new Ocius sul.  Do I need it ?  No.  Do I want it? yes.  Wants ,needs and desires control our emotional senses. 
Kiting is fun and being able to do  it in any range of wind speed, only enhances the amount of time and days you can fly.  Look to buy used...
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 10:51 AM »

Amen, brother!!   Smiley

The amount of $ spent on kites the last few years had been many times recouped in enjoyment, relaxation, new friends, and sheer fun.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2010, 04:25 PM »

Thanks for those words, Virtigo2u.  I totally get it.  My house if full of high quality mountaineering gear and the best longbows I can afford- which means the best money can buy.  I'd have to say that starting in kite world has been a bit different from those sports, probably because lives (human and animal) aren't at stake.  My story is probably like many.  I saw my first sport kite last August by chance on a visit to the Oregon coast- never seen one before!  The next day stopped in Newport and got a Skydog Thunderstruck for $45 and my jaw dropped when I saw the $300+ kites hanging on the ceiling, I couldn't believe anyone would pay that much for a kite!!!  Getting home to Salt Lake I soon realized the Thunderstruck was too heavy for the average breeze here and I needed a light kite or I'd never get enough air time to learn anything.  So I got a 3-D.  But until I learned a thing or two about bridle settings and the importance of changing lines for different winds, that didn't get me far, either (and frankly I'm still pretty disappointed in it- they should have put more R&D into those chinsy standoffs, among other things).  So then I looked for something better and 2 seconds from buying a Quantum got talked into an Acrobatx (another $100).  Still not satisfied and Finally realizing that although these kites are good, there's a reason people pay $300 for a kite.  I'm giddy now waiting for my Widow Maker to come, better than Christmas!  I'm sure the DD is still in my future.

I still wish I'd had more human contact in this process and thank heaven for this forum since it's pretty much as close as I've got so far to nitty gritty advice.  The literature out there is helpful but I just know that a lot of you guys would be able to look at my kites, feel the wind and know how to make them fly better.  I'm far from that and know I've got a lot of crashing and burning to do before I get there, but I will get there too.  And enjoy the process!  I don't regret a dollar or minute spent on kites and can't believe I only heard of a sport kite for the first time just 4 months ago!

Thanks again for all the help and support. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2010, 08:36 PM »

Next week call Jon Trennepohl and talk to him.  He has some good videos, but is always willing to share info.  He ties all the knots in the briddles by hand.  He knows exactly how to make a few changes to fly in soft or stronger winds.  The top of briddle is adjustable. Letting in more  or releasing more wind by the different angle the kite takes when the briddle is adjusted.  One or two knot changes makes a huge difference in flying.
Also ask Devin if he has any used kits for sale.  This forum is great for sharing world and nation wide.  I enjoy being able to put nice videos together with great music.  Enjoy !  Also Happy New Years everyone....  just got back from Motor City Casino.... up $136.00. guess were it's going... Yep... help pay for Ocius sul. 
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