yep, as stated it is not ripstop, it is heavy! I have a new sewing machine and a Martin Blais dolphin kit on the way so sewing practice is relatively what I bought it for. Good news is I bought 4 yds of black, 2 yds of red and about 3 yds of green at JoAnn's for $20. I had kinda thought I could build a big (8') rok and try my hand at applique, but if the best I can do is hang it on the wall after all that work... can anyone think of any kite/laundry project that it would be suitable for. I already made a half dozen kite sleeves and a fairly decent rev bag. Not into flags or banners really but tails or spinners?? mebbe a small flow form or sled?? I guess worst case scenario I could do a black banner with red applique roses or a green tribal dragon flag. Suggestions appreciated!