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« on: January 14, 2011, 06:39 PM »

Hi all. I have really been wanting to build a kite. Specifically a B'Zar. Should I build a 2010 or wait for the 2011 plans?Also, this is the stupid question part, I see the plans and understand them, but what do I do with them? Should I print them to a 1:1 scale of the kite?If not, where can I get the measurements of all of the panels?
Thanks a-lot and sorry for the NEWB question. Embarrassed
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 11:30 PM »

You print them and tape them together, It's best then to use those prints to make some templates out of a heavy poster-board or better for the actual cutting of the fabric.

2010 or 2011? well you could do the 2010 now as your first attempt at building, then when the 2011 plans come out you'll have that much more experience to tackle them. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2011, 12:05 AM »

For your first kite I would recommend the B'zar 2010. 

From what I have read so far, the 2011 has 'broadseaming'.  This involves sewing curved panels to other curved panels which is more complicated for a first time constructor.  The B'zar 2010 has straight edged panels, so is much easier to sew correctly.

The plans can be printed out onto A4 or Letter sized paper, then glued together.  Or you can take the file to a printing shop that has a wide format printer and get a full size print on one sheet of paper

Good luck, let us know how you go
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2011, 02:49 AM »

I would object to building a B'zar as your first build... check out another website and take a crack at building a simpler kite by Chris Derefat called L'Quartz.  http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/Home.html is the website with step by step instruction.  The kite is very good, you will feel good about the build, and will be less likely to make mistakes than with the B'zar.

I think the B'zar is a great kite, but I would hate to have you be turned off from kite building because you tackled a more complex design (Larger kite with curved seems to sew and less detail in the plan than the step by step instruction of l'quartz).  The quartz will also be a cheaper design to build as it uses a mostly pultruded carbon frame rather than more expensive skyshark tubes (with the exception of the lower spreaders).

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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 08:48 AM »

Very sound advice from sugarbaker. I've built both of these and the L'Quartz is a much easier build. Its also a lot of fun to fly.  Wink

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 09:45 AM »

You print them and tape them together, It's best then to use those prints to make some templates out of a heavy poster-board or better for the actual cutting of the fabric.

2010 or 2011? well you could do the 2010 now as your first attempt at building, then when the 2011 plans come out you'll have that much more experience to tackle them. 
Thanks, I was just unsure about the plans. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2011, 09:46 AM »

For your first kite I would recommend the B'zar 2010. 

From what I have read so far, the 2011 has 'broadseaming'.  This involves sewing curved panels to other curved panels which is more complicated for a first time constructor.  The B'zar 2010 has straight edged panels, so is much easier to sew correctly.

The plans can be printed out onto A4 or Letter sized paper, then glued together.  Or you can take the file to a printing shop that has a wide format printer and get a full size print on one sheet of paper

Good luck, let us know how you go
Thanks for the idea of printing it as a whole. Sounds like it could make things easier.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 09:48 AM »

I would object to building a B'zar as your first build... check out another website and take a crack at building a simpler kite by Chris Derefat called L'Quartz.  http://www.tweelijners.com/tom/tomskitesite-en/Home.html is the website with step by step instruction.  The kite is very good, you will feel good about the build, and will be less likely to make mistakes than with the B'zar.

I think the B'zar is a great kite, but I would hate to have you be turned off from kite building because you tackled a more complex design (Larger kite with curved seems to sew and less detail in the plan than the step by step instruction of l'quartz).  The quartz will also be a cheaper design to build as it uses a mostly pultruded carbon frame rather than more expensive skyshark tubes (with the exception of the lower spreaders).



Yeah, I was comparing the plans of theB'zar and L'quartz and it realy does seem like the L'quartz is a better option as a first build.
Thanks a lot. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 09:49 AM »

Very sound advice from sugarbaker. I've built both of these and the L'Quartz is a much easier build. Its also a lot of fun to fly.  Wink

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Nice! Thanks. Now what about an all mylar L'quartz....... Huh
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 08:15 AM »

Very sound advice from sugarbaker. I've built both of these and the L'Quartz is a much easier build. Its also a lot of fun to fly.  Wink

Denny
Nice! Thanks. Now what about an all mylar L'quartz....... Huh
Alfredo.
That would look realy nice, but you'll have to work realy neat, otherwise, all your beginners mistakes, would be very visible
Ofcourse when you're new on the sewing-machine ;-P
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 08:52 AM »

Alfredo, what about to glance at the C. Derefat's Vortex? It was my first built and it's the newer kite from Christian, actually he is drawing a new kite for the 2011, but it's still early for that.
The Vortex is a great and very fun kite and not hard to built, sewings aren't too curved so relatively easier to make, check my Vortex here  http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=3452.0 and then take your final decision  Wink

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2011, 09:00 AM »

Hi Paolo, Thanks for showing me this. I think I like it better and it does seem to be an easier build.
Thanks again,
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