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Author Topic: Which one? 4D or Hypnotist (Zephyr was the choice)  (Read 3498 times)
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« on: January 16, 2011, 01:23 PM »

I flew kites years ago. Now I'm ready to buy a new kite. I'm trying to decide between the 4D and Hypnotist. Over time, I believe I'll buy both of them. I believe the Hypnotist would be my first choice, if I didn't live in NW Georgia. It's not the best location for steady wind. It seems the Hypnotist is a great kite that would serve me well for a long time but I wouldn't get to fly it as often. The 4D can fly on a gentle breeze. They can even fly indoors with shorter lines. I have ready access to a couple of gymnasiums. I know the easy answer is to buy both. I'm just not ready to spend that much at one time. In particular I need insights from those of you who own one or both of these. Right now I'm leaning toward the Hypnotist...
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 01:27 PM »

Hey again, I would probobaly wait until the new line-up for prism is annouced. Who knows, There might be some drastic changes or improvements to one or both of the kites that you are looking at. Wink As for the first kite, I would prob. go for a Hypno... Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 02:09 PM »

They are completely different kites.

The 4D flys well in 0-8 or so in my opinion. Easy for beginners to fly in even 1 mph.

The Hypnotist needs some wind to fly - I'd say 5 or more.

If you are beyond the nose-dive stage I'd check out steves promo on the silver fox pro.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2011, 03:17 PM »

Well, depending on what you consider your skills to be there is a few choices.  The hypnotist is a good kite but if you have some flying history you may want to get into something that will suit your wind range and give you more room for improvement.  In the prism line up I would recommend the Zephyr over the hypno especially if you are past the lawn dart stage.  Its more then the hypno but will give you more kite for your money Imo and you won't outgrow it much at all.  I have flown mine in as little 2 mph and it will still trick ok that low but is Ideal in 3-10 mph(i use the weight when it gets around 7 mph) and I find its less demanding on inputs than the hypno too.  For its design its still a tough kite and can handle the abuse a beginner can dish out.  The only thing i did to mine was add a thin coat of plasti-dip to the spars at the nose to prevent rod wear and punch through. 

Other kites to consider are the acrobatix, silver fox (pro is too new to recomend but the original is a good kite).  It really depends on your initial budget as to whats a good buy for you.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2011, 03:44 PM »

What Tom said, or even the the Silver Fox 2.3 or 2.5 UL's you'll also find in the store, they are just a few dollars more then the Hypnotist and if your winds are regularly under 5 MPH you would probably have many more opportunities to fly them. The Silver Fox UL's are built between SUL's and Standards, not as fragile as an SUL and still have some mass for tricking. The Hypnotist is a fine kite, it will take a lot of abuse and has easy parts replacement if you should break something but it doesn't find a sweet spot wind wise until somewhere above 5 MPH unless you have those smooth winds. Parts replacement on the Silver Foxes is easy too, Steve can get the Dynamic spars to you quickly even though they aren't listed in the store right now.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2011, 07:09 PM »

Thanks for your help. You guys have given me a lot to think about. There are a lot of options to consider. Lots of kites to read about. I'm glad I don't have to make a decision on it tonight.  Smiley   I'm guessing I'll end up buying a kite that will be joined by another before too long.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 09:17 PM »

Thanks for your help. You guys have given me a lot to think about. There are a lot of options to consider. Lots of kites to read about. I'm glad I don't have to make a decision on it tonight.  Smiley   I'm guessing I'll end up buying a kite that will be joined by another before too long.  Grin
Yep you will.  I came back to the hobby at the beginning of the summer when I got a no brainer deal on a new quantum and 2 jazz ($15 at a yard sale Tongue) and I have added 4 more to my bag since.  I'm looking at 3 more new models as well as replacing some classic prisms I sold off in the late 90's (kicking myself for this a lot lately).  ITs an addicting hobby but rewarding.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2011, 09:19 PM »

Thanks for your help. You guys have given me a lot to think about. There are a lot of options to consider. Lots of kites to read about. I'm glad I don't have to make a decision on it tonight.  Smiley   I'm guessing I'll end up buying a kite that will be joined by another before too long.  Grin
Yep you will.  I came back to the hobby at the beginning of the summer when I got a no brainer deal on a new quantum and 2 jazz ($15 at a yard sale Tongue) and I have added 4 more to my bag since.  I'm looking at 3 more new models as well as replacing some classic prisms I sold off in the late 90's (kicking myself for this a lot lately).  ITs an addicting hobby but rewarding.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 07:59 AM »

Wow, this has been quite a process. With Steve's recent offer I went ahead and bought the Zephyr. It should work well in my low winds. I'll have to wait on the 4D or other UL until after I get comfortable with the Zephyr. Thanks again for all the thought provoking comments.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 08:09 AM »

Nice! Have fun with your new kite! What color did you buy?
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2011, 10:01 AM »

Wow, this has been quite a process. With Steve's recent offer I went ahead and bought the Zephyr. It should work well in my low winds. I'll have to wait on the 4D or other UL until after I get comfortable with the Zephyr. Thanks again for all the thought provoking comments.
Your welcome Jim. Once you get a few hours on the basics in controlling the Z you'll probably love it.  Its a kite that just loves to trick and fly. One thing to keep in mind though is only use the light wind set if the winds are ~4 mph or less.   If there is any gusting above 6-7 mph or if your too hard on your inputs, the 50# set will break pretty easily.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2011, 01:21 PM »

Thanks for the tips on flying the Z. I would rather know this ahead of time a avoid breaking a line!
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2011, 01:36 PM »

Alfredo, I got the red Zephyr.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2011, 05:36 PM »

Red for Georgia?

That was my reasoning, except for Nebraska.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2011, 06:06 PM »

I do pull for UGA, but I was looking for a kite that would pop against a blue sky. It was actually a tough decision because all four kites looked great.
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