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« Reply #120 on: December 23, 2011, 02:00 PM »

My B'zar 2011 homemade :




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That looks great   Mike
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« Reply #121 on: December 24, 2011, 04:44 AM »

Can anyone compare the main flying characteristics of the Bzar and the Vortex  Smiley

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Vortex is a yoyo machine ! But a bit technic , a little " Fou fou " as we say in France. As all Christian Derefat's kites ( Vortex , Organic...), no pressure , you have  the impression to have got nothing at the end of lines : It's a bit surprising.
I prefer B'zar 2011 . More graceful , quieter . More pressure in the lines. Very good for Taz machine , slot , multilazy. To me for the moment , only one problem with it , Yoyo difficult with this kite. I'm waiting for others opinions about that. Is it my B'zar 2011 or all B'zar 2011 ?

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« Reply #122 on: December 24, 2011, 02:48 PM »

Can anyone compare the main flying characteristics of the Bzar and the Vortex  Smiley


Vortex is a yoyo machine ! But a bit technic , a little " Fou fou " as we say in France. As all Christian Derefat's kites ( Vortex , Organic...), no pressure , you have  the impression to have got nothing at the end of lines : It's a bit surprising.
I prefer B'zar 2011 . More graceful , quieter . More pressure in the lines. Very good for Taz machine , slot , multilazy. To me for the moment , only one problem with it , Yoyo difficult with this kite. I'm waiting for others opinions about that. Is it my B'zar 2011 or all B'zar 2011 ?



Thank you so much for your feedback !!!  I'll need to build a B'zar next.....
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« Reply #123 on: December 31, 2011, 08:19 AM »

Thank you Sugarbaker for a fine example of open source kite building, well done!
During January I will set up a webpage with all the building tips and pictures in it, so you will have a sort of back-up somewhere on the world  ;-)

As for the Yoyo-problem: if your B'zar doesn't do the yoyo's well, you could add some 5 grams to the tail. And indeed check the bridle, the activator is critical for the yoyo's!
Also, kites like the Organic or Le Quartz make pilots kind of lazy when learning or performing tricks. The yoyo needs a firm setup on the B'zar, where the Organic only needs a little slack and a small step forwards.
From experience I know that pilots with a French kite background have more 'trouble' with the B'zar than pilots who have learned to fly on machine with a Prism feel to it.
In designing a kite, there's a thin line between having much controle on flatspins and pitch tricks. We tried to put the B'zar right in the middle of the line.
Just keep working on those yoyo's, you will find the right set-up and feel for it  :-)    (remember how hard your first axel was?)
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« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2012, 03:14 AM »

So I have put all the documentation (263 pictures included) into a webpage that is attached to the B'zar website.
You can find it here:  http://www.tweelijners.com/werner/Sugarbaker.html
Working from a website isn't always possible, I have put the webpage into a .pdf file,
that way one can work offline on a kite  Wink
You can download the 9 Mb file here: http://www.tweelijners.com/werner/download/Sugarbakers_ Bzar_2011.pdf

A round of applause should go to Sugarbaker who was willing to share all his good work and ideas on this open source kite building thing!
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« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2012, 02:52 AM »

i started to reread this wonderful thread, but a lot of the pictures are missing...

is there something to do about that?
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« Reply #126 on: October 20, 2012, 10:50 AM »

Because I lost my web space when apple turned off their mobile me hosting, many of the links are broken. The pics are preserved on my home computer, and also in a PDF on the b'zar website (link is available one or two posts prior to this one in this thread).

I am considering a new thread and have a few projects in the works, although probably none of them will be as comprehensive as this one...

If time presents itself, I may edit posts to this thread as I am able to fix the links (pointing them to many of the pics that are now hosted on picasaweb).

Glad to see there is still some interest in my build process!

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« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2012, 11:28 AM »

Like Sugarbaker writes, all the pics are here: http://www.tweelijners.com/werner/Sugarbaker.html
And also in the .pdf file (link a little above this post)

It's being downloaded a lot, so this tread is very usefull to users all over the world who need some help in building a kite, in this case the B'zar 2011. But the advice given here is adaptable to any kite one wants to build.

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« Reply #128 on: October 20, 2012, 12:30 PM »

Thanks guys!

Smart idea, Hugo!

And Stephen, yes, you've made some nice documentation, very much worth a reread.
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« Reply #129 on: September 07, 2015, 11:33 AM »

Update to this thread that I left a few years ago.  As of today, I've repaired all of the broken image links... but keep in mind that many of the edits made to the original photos were lost, leaving us with a series of dark images (I may repair as time allows).

Also, an update to the kite itself:

Since building this original B'zar 2011 and creating the documentation, I have constructed another B'zar 2011.  The purpose being to compare my original build (which had a modified nose construction from the plans) to a kite that was built using the spec nose.



I have found that this newer build with nose constructed true to the plan does indeed fly better.  That being said, I am also a more accomplished builder than I was when I created this thread... so other aspects of the kite may have been completed more accurately as well resulting in a properly flying version of what the designer originally intended.  The differences may be equally related to experimenting with bridle adjustments. 

The B'zar remains one of my favorite kites to fly, and my love for it has been renewed with the completion of this most recent build. 

Also note that since the completion of this thread, there have been several newer build threads completed by other members of the forum.  These newer threads utilize many of the techniques I have shared here, but also introduce new ideas and methods that should be considered when developing your own style and repertoire of skills.
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« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2015, 11:39 AM »

I've always liked those colors together Steve  Cool
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« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2015, 12:05 PM »

You 2 are a big part of what keeps this Forum alive.  Smiley
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« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2015, 12:14 PM »

I'll drop by once in a year or so, development of the B'zar line stopped but I keep the webpages about that kite online. Also the "Le Quartz" building page is kept online forever. Looking at the visitors, there are at least 1000 Quartz kites around the planet (if one out of five who look at all the pages build one). It's good that people move on, that newer designs find their way to users. People always wanted to build their own kites, but they hardly could find step by step instructions. That is were this forum (and others) step in: help a lot of people!  So do continue!
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« Reply #133 on: September 08, 2015, 04:13 AM »

You 2 are a big part of what keeps this Forum alive.  Smiley

And a big inspiration to those that aspire to build.


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« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2015, 12:58 PM »

I also love to read the build threads on the different fora. So much info and things to learn. I always hope to build just half as neatly/perfectly as some of you guys (i'm just not that patient i guess...)

I said it before... would never have chosen the colors in that B'zar, but is sure is smokin'!!!
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