Any Silver fox 2.3 pro pilots out there?

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[aaron j.]

Looking for some more help on my new Silver fox 2.3 pro. I flew it today with Smplcty ( Jayson ) here on the forum. There was a good amount of wind like
13-15mph. We flew it with 85' 150lb lines. I am new to kiting, I can keep it in the air when I am not trying tricks. 

My question is Jason and I felt the kite had a little too much oversteer. We moved the bridle around and came out with a pretty good setup to make it more enjoyable to fly. Is this the nature of this kite? I think I enjoyed flying my Prism Hypnotist a little more.
                                                           Thanks,
                                                                 Aaron

[chilese]

As zippy8 would say:

Is it oversteer or merely twitchy (small hand motions only)?

He would use better words than I have chosen. 

[aaron j.]

I think oversteer, the kite wanted to keep circling even after you stopped input.
We got it to track straight, the kite was pulling quite hard I might add.

[aaron j.]

Sorry, I just noticed I posted this in the single line.

[NormP]

Seems like a difference of opinion between your experience (oversteer) and username (siajauren) in the post below. I also don't consider my SF Pro to have oversteer. Might need to measure some bridles and see where the tow points have been set. I'll get mine out in the next couple days and measure my bridle and post the measurements, which will be measured from the front surfaces of the spars. Hopefully someone will move this thread to Kite Building and Repair so after I take my measurements I can add them to the sticky thread for Standard Kite Specifications that username (Hadge) recommended.

http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=4674.0

[aaron j.]

Thanks, I would greatly appreciate any help you could give me.

[Ca Ike]

if you move the adjustment on the lower spreaders fitting pigtail to the last knot away from the leading edge it will tame the turn rate.

[50flyer]

I sold  this kite to aaron.  I had no problems with oversteer. I did not make any adjustments to bridle.
It seems   heavy on the lines. It takes more wind to fly this kite.

Your new to kiting. It will take more time to get use to this kite than your prism.

[Ca Ike]

I sold  this kite to aaron.  I had no problems with oversteer. I did not make any adjustments to bridle.
It seems   heavy on the lines. It takes more wind to fly this kite.

Your new to kiting. It will take more time to get use to this kite than your prism.

FOr a new pilot getting oversteer mixed up with over control is common and going from a unweighted kite to a weighted kite can make it seem like there is oversteer when there really isn't.  WEighted kites take a bit of getting used to and the SF pro has a different way of adjusting but it does have a forgiving/radical turn setting on the outhaul bridle leg from what I have seen and that should tame the kite some.

[NormP]

Coming from the same manufacturer, one batch of kites to the next or even one kite to the next, bridles can have a slight difference in length. Also from one side of the same kite to the other side there can be a slight difference in bridle measurements. It's never a waste of your time to measure your bridle to be sure it is symmetric.
 My SF Pro does not have a knotted pig-tail adjustment on the Lower Outhaul or at the Spine. It does have a double prusik system, which can be adjusted. I will more than likely change mine to a knotted pig-tail, which will make adjustments a lot easier.
It does have a knotted pigtail (with four knots) on the Upper Outhaul. My larkshead is set on top of the third knot from the bottom of this pig-tail.
All of these measurements were taken as close as I could get to the front surface of the spars to the center of any knot, so they are not exact measurements like you can get with the bridle removed from the kite. Given the wind you stated you were flying in you should not have experienced any oversteer with your weights in place.

Upper Outhaul= 24 1/2" (default bridle setting)
Lower Outhaul= 21 1/4"
Inhaul= 26 1/4"
Here is a picture of the adjustable Prusik system

[justinpwheeler]

How would you adjust the double prussik knot?  I have not touched my bridle on my SF Pro assuming it was only the upper outhaul is adjustable.  I'm quite pleased with the kite.  Had one issue, but it is being remedied.

[NormP]

How would you adjust the double prussik knot?  I have not touched my bridle on my SF Pro assuming it was only the upper outhaul is adjustable.  I'm quite pleased with the kite.  Had one issue, but it is being remedied.

Grab both sides of the prusik knot and pull it apart. When or if you do this you will see a black
"default" mark. If you end up not liking your change you will always be able to return to the factory/default setting. To lock the prusik you need to roll it back in to position. If you need to practice, get a couple of pieces of small cord. Make a double/two wrap prusik and untie and re-tie it a few times. Hope this makes sense.
I think it would make things a lot more simple to just tie overhand knots in the provided length of pig-tail line at the Spine and Lower Outhauls and then Larkhead with the pre-existing loop at the end of the bridle onto them. 

[aaron j.]

Thanks everybody,
There is no doubt I am a new flyer, i was just asking for opinion on this kite and how it handles. I am still in the learning stages of tuning the bridle to my liking. I have two other local guys that competed in events, I will let them give the kite a whirl and get their hands on opinon. There was nothing wrong with the kite, I am going to fly it as much as I can and get the hang of it.

Thank you Norm,
I am going to compare my settings to yours and see how it goes.
 
                                                                    Aaron

[aaron j.]

I was looking at the pictures Norm posted:
My lines running to the upper spreader are attached above the spreader holders and not below like on Norms. Would that make a difference?

[NormP]

Good observation Aaron. It's a slight variance of what I was talking about (bridle lengths) in the previous post. I am sure it will not cause any problem with oversteer. It's no big deal, but which bridle is tied on the way they were suppose to be at the factory. Someone stopped watching them for a few minutes and they decided to do it their way. I plan on leaving mine where it is tied below the APA connector. I am anxious to see how your bridle measurements will compare to mine.

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