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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2011, 11:15 PM »

I suppose you can break most tricks down to their individual basic moves, but that feels a bit deconstructionist to me.  Just like a good meal is much more than the sum of it's basic ingredients.   

maybe so, but if you put a piece of cheese on a hamburger it doesn't make it a jiminyjackrabbit, it makes it a cheeseburger.

how about? if it needs more than a hyphen, it needs a new name.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2011, 11:21 PM »

I suppose you can break most tricks down to their individual basic moves, but that feels a bit deconstructionist to me.  Just like a good meal is much more than the sum of it's basic ingredients.   

maybe so, but if you put a piece of cheese on a hamburger it doesn't make it a jiminyjackrabbit, it makes it a cheeseburger.

how about? if it needs more than a hyphen, it needs a new name.

180 roll up start? no that sounds lame. 180 Yo? too similar to the quad team plus it doesn't unroll so it's not really a Yo-Yo. Pop n' Roll? that's what I've always called it but it's not the most catchy name.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2011, 01:00 AM »

I saw a flow chart once that did something similar and I think Mike (zippy) had a list on FA a while back.

This is:-
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  • nothing to do with me

The two above facts may be linked. I would draw your attention to this post which I do take credit~blame for.

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Thanks mike thats the flow chart I was looking for.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2011, 01:02 AM »

I actualy think this is well said and very true so I'm reposting it here.

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This is a paraphrasing (into Stuntkitese) from a very clever book about yoyoing called the Yonomicon. I believe it has lessons that can be of value to us all.

Tricks no one taught you.

You should never say that "I invented a trick." There are two reasons: First is that tricks are like spirits, they exist on their own. We don't make them, they just fly in, possess our kites for a few seconds and then fly on.

The less spiritual reason is that very often someone, somewhere, at sometime has done the trick before you. The Old Masters have done things with a kite that you can't imagine. That's why when someone asks you if you invented that trick you should say, "Well no one taught it to me." Never claim to have created a trick. It's a matter of respect for the spirits and the Old Masters.

But that aside, coming up with tricks, meeting new spirits, is great fun and is often how we learn a lot of our tricks. There are a few ways that this usually occurs. The first is when these things just happen. You miss one trick but it turns into another one, a random idea runs into you, a spirit walks up and introduces itself, you think "that was cool, but what if I These are all great ways and where a lot of great tricks are born. When it happens, do it again without thinking about it. Then think about it. Unconscious layers of your memory will remember these moves, then once they get it down, try to have your conscious memory remember. Or grab a friend and have them watch you. Use their conscious memory.

Another way to come up with tricks is hybriding. Hybriding a trick is taking part of one trick and attaching another part of another trick. Anytime you end up in a position that is in another trick, you can skip over to that trick at that point.

The main thrust of the book is that tricks can be broken down into a fairly small number of discrete moves and holds. I believe that the same applies to kites and that even the gnarliest combo. is simply that: a combination of a subset of these basics.

Of course, the question then becomes do we want to do this ? It's not exactly freestyle now is it. Although it may be polyvalent.

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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2011, 08:49 AM »

I actualy think this is well said and very true so I'm reposting it here.

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This is a paraphrasing (into Stuntkitese) from a very clever book about yoyoing called the Yonomicon. I believe it has lessons that can be of value to us all.

Tricks no one taught you.

You should never say that "I invented a trick." There are two reasons: First is that tricks are like spirits, they exist on their own. We don't make them, they just fly in, possess our kites for a few seconds and then fly on.

The less spiritual reason is that very often someone, somewhere, at sometime has done the trick before you. The Old Masters have done things with a kite that you can't imagine. That's why when someone asks you if you invented that trick you should say, "Well no one taught it to me." Never claim to have created a trick. It's a matter of respect for the spirits and the Old Masters.

But that aside, coming up with tricks, meeting new spirits, is great fun and is often how we learn a lot of our tricks. There are a few ways that this usually occurs. The first is when these things just happen. You miss one trick but it turns into another one, a random idea runs into you, a spirit walks up and introduces itself, you think "that was cool, but what if I These are all great ways and where a lot of great tricks are born. When it happens, do it again without thinking about it. Then think about it. Unconscious layers of your memory will remember these moves, then once they get it down, try to have your conscious memory remember. Or grab a friend and have them watch you. Use their conscious memory.

Another way to come up with tricks is hybriding. Hybriding a trick is taking part of one trick and attaching another part of another trick. Anytime you end up in a position that is in another trick, you can skip over to that trick at that point.

The main thrust of the book is that tricks can be broken down into a fairly small number of discrete moves and holds. I believe that the same applies to kites and that even the gnarliest combo. is simply that: a combination of a subset of these basics.

Of course, the question then becomes do we want to do this ? It's not exactly freestyle now is it. Although it may be polyvalent.

Mike.

Although that sounds real nice and I agree with some of it, the reality is if we are communicating with others about tricks, it simplifies it to give them names.

I have discovered many tricks on my own only to find out they are commonly done by others. The trick I posted above is a "trick" as far as I'm concerned and I haven't seen anyone do it but myself. It's a trick because a regularly do it and it's not some random combination that just happened to be caught on video. It's in my trick bag Grin

I don't need or care about credit but I'd like to know if others do it and if it has a common name. If not, lets name it.
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2011, 09:06 AM »

was it Andy Preston who said that for "something to be a trick it had to be repeatable by others" as well?
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2011, 09:22 AM »

was it Andy Preston who said that for "something to be a trick it had to be repeatable by others" as well?

I don't agree with that at all. What if someone does an unbelievably difficult trick that no one else can hit? What if it's super cool looking too? What if they do it in front of others and people are like "Holy Crap, that so cool" but no one else can hit it? It's still a trick.
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2011, 09:26 AM »

Ive been working on the swish-flick launch ever since I saw James do it.  Its actually pretty easy once I got the timing down.  Nice dramatic way to start a flight, thanks James, er I mean DolphinBoy.  Thanks for all of the tips, Ive been working on letting the kite fall into a roll-up from the lazy susan too.  What's that one called?  
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2011, 09:57 AM »

Ive been working on the swish-flick launch ever since I saw James do it.  Its actually pretty easy once I got the timing down.  Nice dramatic way to start a flight, thanks James, er I mean DolphinBoy.  Thanks for all of the tips, Ive been working on letting the kite fall into a roll-up from the lazy susan too.  What's that one called?  

Just like most tricks once you understand what's going on and get your muscle memory down, it's easy as pie.

The Lazy to Roll up thing doesn't have a name as far as I know but I've seen many people do it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2011, 10:12 AM »

It's still a trick.
But is it a stunt trick or a sports trick ?

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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2011, 10:22 AM »

It's still a trick.
But is it a stunt trick or a sports trick ?

Mike.

Dual line manipulation of the kite from it's normal path of flight by the addition of slack to the control lines Cheesy
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2011, 12:36 PM »

Ive been working on the swish-flick launch ever since I saw James do it.  Its actually pretty easy once I got the timing down.  Nice dramatic way to start a flight, thanks James, er I mean DolphinBoy.  Thanks for all of the tips, Ive been working on letting the kite fall into a roll-up from the lazy susan too.  What's that one called?  


Just like most tricks once you understand what's going on and get your muscle memory down, it's easy as pie.

The Lazy to Roll up thing doesn't have a name as far as I know but I've seen many people do it.
  I've heard it called a lazy roll up if its the one where you do a 2 pop roll up but toss in a lazy before the 2nd pop.  There's also one I call a snap roll I did by accident giving too much slack for a snap lazy that I'm working on figuring out exactly what i did on the inputs to get. 

Another couple of combos I don't see much that I do from time to time is an axel-rollup and 540 barrel roll/fade. I managed to get them on film for my vf 19 entry.  540 barrel roll fade is at ~.24  axel roll up ~.49.  THe 540 barrel roll I've seen before exited nose up though.  Axel roll up I think I saw JW do before on the lix or at least something similar but I don't remember for sure. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2011, 02:04 PM »

Not really.  The first part of the trick(the take-off part) was done by a flier in Trick or Treat video.  First part only.  I discovered this after I thought I 'invented' a new trick last Summer.

I'm doing this 'new trick' since last Summer and I have two versions.
1st version is the same as yours...yoyo(I'm about to call it cids take-off  Cheesy )
2nd version is it becomes a JL(see video: starting at 59 seconds)

I believed this trick has a lot of potential since it can spin off to many different configurations like multi-lazies etc.



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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2011, 04:12 PM »


1st version is the same as yours...yoyo(I'm about to call it cids take-off  Cheesy )
2nd version is it becomes a JL(see video: starting at 59 seconds)


Cids, I see the 180 pop up to JL but not the roll up. It's cool that you've hit it too though. cool Cool
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2011, 11:32 PM »


1st version is the same as yours...yoyo(I'm about to call it cids take-off  Cheesy )
2nd version is it becomes a JL(see video: starting at 59 seconds)


Cids, I see the 180 pop up to JL but not the roll up. It's cool that you've hit it too though. cool Cool

I did the yoyo version first then I modified it to the JL version.  For the JL version,  I can do it with my left or right hand.  It looks kind of cool since there is a lot of actions in it.
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