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« on: July 11, 2011, 10:06 AM »

I just picked up some Orcon Film to make a very light version of my no wind soaring kite.  Does anyone know where I can find some tips on sewing this material?  When I sew with ripstop nylon or polyester, I sew the panels together using a Plain Seam, which has been my standard seam with straight stitch for many years.  Would I be better off using a Lap Seam?  I will need one seam along the center spine of the kite.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 10:54 AM »

Since an Orcon kite is by-definition designed for indoor or outdoor zero wind conditions, there's no real need to sew the seams at all.  3M seam tape should yield very strong seams without the needle holes.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 02:37 PM »

What Ron said.

I've tried testing it to destruction on a light polyester and if applied properly, the fabric will fail before the tape.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 03:04 PM »

ditto on Ron's info....no sewing necessary....this stuff is fragile...tape is good enough
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 03:18 PM »

Thank you for your responses.  I just ordered a roll of double sided tape and will give it a try.

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 02:02 AM »

3M 9460 tape works best in my experience, plus it is also the lightest. Don't need more then 1/4" wide tape.
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 04:18 AM »

Practice on some scrap first 3M has a lot of 'grab' and you won't peel it off if you get it wrong  Cry
Definitely the strongest though
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 04:55 AM »

Practice on some scrap first 3M has a lot of 'grab' and you won't peel it off if you get it wrong  Cry

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The 3M isn't going to give you a second chance, especially not with Orcon.  Even on poly, by the time you pry the panels apart you've got some serious pucker along the edges.
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 08:39 AM »

you can NOT sew orcon film, the perforations act like a tiny hole in the bag of potato chips, once a hole or split is started, the rest of the material just follows right along instantly.

Orcon can be taped, (9460 bonding) but don't make hard, sharp corners.  Big curves will work!

Dave Ashworth has a lot of experience with this material and indoor sport kites.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 05:38 AM »

Sorry for the diversion from topic at hand but could you guys please give me a link for the 3M 9460 double sided tape that you keep mentioning? At this point I am having harder time finding it than the end of a rainbow.

I've spent hours searching through web for a 3M 9460 double sided tape that would be roughly 6mm wide with no luck. Maybe it's because I'm from Europe but I would love to get my hands on a solid double sided tape for kite building. I am already running out of my single roll. :-(

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 09:01 AM »

Head over to kitebuilder dot com, the other Steve stocks it there. Slightly less expensive is the C3 Sailtape, better on Nylon fabrics I don't know about use on Orcon. 9460 is the best all around and should be in your kit if you're building.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 10:27 AM »

In Europe you may find Kayospruce or Bainbridge sailmakers tape easier to get hold of. The Bainbridge tape is nice.

Try contacting local sailmakers to see what they use, maybe they'll sell you some.

I got my 3M tape by clubbing together with someone who bought a big roll and had it slit into 6mm slices so I'm not aware of an easy way to get it
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 06:04 AM »

I get mine from Regiotape, its a Germany company and 3m distributor.
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