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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2011, 08:39 PM »

the .240" (6.1mm) pultruded carbon available through a variety of places here in the states is similar in spec to the Exel Cruise rods recommended for this build.  They share the same inner diameter of 4mm and very close outer diameter.  I don't know much about the similarities in dynamics, but I've been perfectly happy with the pultruded carbon in my builds where it is required/recommended.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2011, 11:25 PM »

I'll add that info to the frame specs.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2011, 07:20 AM »

the .240" (6.1mm) pultruded carbon available through a variety of places here in the states is similar in spec to the Exel Cruise rods recommended for this build.

The Avia .2400 pultrude commonly available here would generally be quite a bit heavier than good quality 6mm rods. .2300 is normally the best alternative, though some high mod 6mm are somewhat stiffer than Avia .2300.
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2011, 09:35 AM »

I have purchased some .2300 rods in the past, and have had some variance in what I received. There are two different wall thicknesses available. (light or strong). The strong wall weighs approx the same as the .2400 rods (within a few grams for a 32.5). This bein the case, I've gone for the stiffer .2400 rods. As Allen has made a good point, if I can get the .2300 light wall rods, that may be the way I go for this build.
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2011, 10:26 AM »

A4 plans added.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2011, 03:31 PM »

The .2400 Avia rods are stiffer and heavier, but the increase in stiffness does not provide responsiveness as it might with other sticks. I've had a few .2400 framed kites, even framed a vented with them intentionally. They are just really dead feeling sticks. On a 2 meter kite like this they could be death. Probably be a double axel machine, though.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2011, 09:53 PM »

The P2 is a Double Axel monster as is!
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2011, 11:09 PM »

Is there any reason not to use Skyshark P Series rods?

One could go up to P300 or 400 if the extra weight was crucial to the design.

P Series aren't all that stiff.
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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2011, 04:05 AM »

Some facts:
- Open source (plans will soon be available)
- Cheap frame (Exel cruise and 5pt LS)
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but why won't you just other rods?
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2011, 04:22 AM »

The Exel rods are widely availabe in this part of the world, so that's why the designers went with those... I don't see any reason besides the $ why not to use other rods.

Exel cruise is not THAT stiff. Structil would be a great substitute and i guess P or PT series skyshark would work very well.

As Krijn pointed out: It was designed to be a budget kite. With the provided framespecs it's almost unbreakable in normal flight/tricks in less then hurricane windspeeds (they've tried!).

That's the beauty of open source: just build it the way you like.
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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2011, 01:41 PM »

First impression of the P2 trickkite designed by Pim Kusters and Pierre ter Bogt. Flown at "Groene Strand, Terschelling" by KarelOh and at "Den Helder beach" by Pierre.

P2 Open Source Trickkite - Impression
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2011, 07:38 PM »

That looks like a sweet design.
Nice flying too.

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2011, 10:47 PM »

Wow. Very impresive.

I know I don't have the skills to fly like that.   Sad

Wonder if I have the skills to sew a kite like that.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2011, 11:05 PM »

Cool Cool The kite looks good tricking, plus I love that size kite Grin
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2011, 03:29 AM »

Nice very cool! The kite looks quick.
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