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« on: October 02, 2011, 12:41 PM »

Hi to all
look at back spin on this video on 1.minute and 45 sec
PLAYA CATANIA - MARZO 2011 - K2 STD CHALLENGER SAILS


Look so simple and strange then backspin which we all know.
Is this KIND of backspin offen on new design?
hmmmmmm.... any ideas.. I didn't see this kind of back spin
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2011, 12:47 PM »

that is called a "barrel roll"

just give a backspin-input and keep tension on the line



i like the look of flat backspins much better
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2011, 12:56 PM »

.....I didn't know.
thanks.
any reports that Sea Devil can do barrel roll or this trick is connect for other kite designs? I didn't try it. Look easy....

I agree that backspin looks better then barrel roll
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2011, 05:37 PM »

My son calls that one the swirly!   Actually he barrel rolls one way and then switches directions again, sort of like a backspin cascade.


I like the barrel roll to quickly unwind twisted lines, it's more fun than tight circles.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2011, 09:50 PM »

On some kites that all you get for a backspin.  IT tends to be an artifact of a deep sail design due to the high angle at the wing tip but most kites I have tried will barrel roll if you add a little tension to the off hand line.  I agree with Krijn though the flatter the spins the better they look.  Just something about a super flat axel, 540 or backspin.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2011, 11:47 PM »

any report that Sea Devil can do Barell roll?
thanks
I would try on the field but no wind here and it will not blow in next period  Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 01:06 AM »

Any kite you can get to do a barrel roll recovery from a fade has the potential for barrel roll type back spins and the sea devil is no exception.  You will just have to experiment with line tension to get  what your wanting.

Infact here's lam  himself.  watch the kite at about 4:50

Lam Hoac flying the Sea Devil
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 02:11 AM »

I see...
but here Lam is doing Lateral roll (half rotaition) not Barrel roll (full rotation).
I gess if he kept line pulled longer ,  kite would rotate more in the barell roll (full rotation)....
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 02:36 AM »

the back spins start at 4:55 in the video near the end.  Off camera angle but he does get more of a barrel roll and with a bit more tension on the off hand line you would get the nose angle more toward the ground.  Its a fine tension adjustment sometimes as small as the weight of your finger on the line.

Heres a bunch of vids to watch.  http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=sea+devil+kite+video&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=sea+devil+kite+video&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=univ&tbm=vid&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=p36JTpXqIqPmiAKs9NS9DA&ved=0CDsQqwQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d913f05cca2ff510&biw=1182&bih=950
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 09:07 AM »

thanks...
On the video back spin look very similar to Barell roll.
I think it is possible to mix this 2 similar trick- to start with back spin and continue to barell roll and opposite...
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 06:30 PM »

Its possible but not easy to go from one to the other and back.  THat can be kite dependant and so far the only 2 kites I have flown that I can do both on starting with flat and changing to barrel roll and going flat again are my Gemini and my Zephyr.  Again you will have to experiment with your SD to figure out how.   I know on some kites you start out flat but multiple spins become barrels rolls no matter what you do.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2011, 01:02 AM »

thanks a lot
any report from SD flyers about doing continue 360 degree Barell Rolls (not just fade recovery) on SD, next to Back spin which is clean on SD?
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