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« on: May 07, 2009, 12:51 PM »

Do u modify the weight in your kite to improve its pitching/spinning abilities ?
How do you tell you have achieved perfect weight in your kite ?

What other tricks that you can do to achieve the perfect balance in a kite ?
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 01:44 PM »

Don't be afraid to experiment though!

Soft solder and insulation tape is a quick way to add & remove weight
espically to nose, tail & wing tips. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 02:10 PM »

try putting some velcro on a nickel and  velcro it into the bottom near the spine, it's about 5grams

warranty? did the machines come with one?
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 03:28 PM »

I'm with you on the velcro.  My favorite weight for a QP std is two quarters CA'd together with some velcro attached.  I put them right at the spine.  That weight set is a mess...
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 03:58 PM »

Dave,
It's a federal offense to deface the dollar isn't it?

Or is that some thought from my demented past?

Hot glue would work and would clean up better Grin
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 03:59 PM »

I tried different weight on all my kites except the Talon's. I never touched a thing on them. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 04:17 PM »

I knew the following skills quite well now:
Backspin, backspin cascade
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Is it enough 'moves' to find out the perfect weight setting ? I know more are better but I'm quite new at this sport.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 04:51 PM »

Dave,
It's a federal offense to deface the dollar isn't it?

Or is that some thought from my demented past?

Hot glue would work and would clean up better Grin

I didn't deface the doller, just a quarter Cheesy
and besides, I don't use much glue.  I can pop them apart by hand and grab a coke if i get thirsty Cool  Funny, I've actually done that.....

So yeah, there is a bit of a gap in the velcro on the spine of that kite and a couple of quarters tend to slip around and fall out.  So a touch of glue just kind of keeps things in place.  For more permanent weight I use brass slip on weights adn secure them with packing tape.  Actually holds for a long time and easy to adjust.  I use the stock weight kit too, just on the vented, because it can handle all the extra weight of the Armature, etc.
Sorry if I strayed a bit off topic....
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 05:02 PM »

Dave,
It's a federal offense to deface the dollar isn't it?

Or is that some thought from my demented past?

Hot glue would work and would clean up better Grin

I didn't deface the doller, just a quarter Cheesy
and besides, I don't use much glue.  I can pop them apart by hand and grab a coke if i get thirsty Cool  Funny, I've actually done that.....


To stray a bit further...............................There is apparently a group or, maybe just one individual, of people where I work that, systematically shoot ca glue into the coin slots on the vending machines.  It really fouls up the works...................
Odd too,....................there are two security cameras pointed from either direction that can capture everything that happens in that corridor on a twenty four hour basis.  Been there six years........they've yet to apprehend the culprit(s) Shocked

Back to the reguarly scheduled programming.............sorry for the Vector Wink 
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 08:58 PM »

Do u modify the weight in your kite to improve its pitching/spinning abilities ?
Yes, on occasion. I don't make a habit of it though. I've always recoiled from adding weight. It offends my engineer sensibilities.

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What other tricks that you can do to achieve the perfect balance in a kite ?
Pretty much everything has been tried. Stuffing the US with another spar can help on some kites (Fury comes like that), tip weights, sliding spine weights, nose weights (for the love of....). All of them "work", for a given value of "work".

Seriously small amounts of weight can completely change how a kite flies. I had serious difficulties getting the Yoyos I liked out of a Next Team LW so I added 3g. to the tail. It was probably too much. I went back and learnt how to fly the kite a bit better and took the weight off again.

It is amazing how much better a kite gets when the flyer improves. That's pretty much the best way.

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 10:44 PM »

Yes, the most important weight is the meat puppet on the other end of the lines..
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2009, 02:31 PM »

Do u modify the weight in your kite to improve its pitching/spinning abilities ?
Sometimes

How do you tell you have achieved perfect weight in your kite ?
When you like how it fleels and tricks and that'll change as you learn more Smiley

What other tricks that you can do to achieve the perfect balance in a kite ?
Go ahead change the weights, it's an easy non permanent mod you can play around with. Even if you don't end up liking the results, It'll give you some insight into effects of weights on the kite. I wouldn't do anything else until you realy have a good understanding of what you're trying to achive



I will fly a kite "as is" but after I get a feel for it, if I feel it will help, I'll tweak the weight. Some kites feel wrong straight off and I'll add remove some weight right off the bat & see how it goes. I have 3 kites that have different sets of lower spreaders & I may add or remove some weight when I swap the LS out too.



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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2009, 09:00 PM »

I agree with zippy8 .I think that adding extra weight does help with some tricks when learning, as i have done, but when the trick has been learned, you should be able to remove the weight and still execute the trick.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2009, 09:10 PM »

I agree with zippy8 .I think that adding extra weight does help with some tricks when learning, as i have done, but when the trick has been learned, you should be able to remove the weight and still execute the trick.
No.

There are some tricks that some kites simply will not do, at least not in any remotely reliable way, without adding ballast.

The idea is to apply an amount of weight that gives you the best compromise for your needs - no more, no less.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2009, 10:29 PM »

I don't like having to tune or modify the kite other than choosing the right length and weight of flying lines. 

Adding weight, removing weight, adjusting the bridle, shortening or lengthening spreaders, standoffs, spreader attachment points, removing upper spreaders or standoffs, etc.   Isn't the designer supposed to have tried all this before they finalize the kite?  Sure, if you are going to try and push its  capabilities to the low or high wind extreme some mods may be necessary, but it likely will not fly all that well at those points anyhow, so why bother.

If you fly the kite anywhere near its sweet-spot rating, it SHOULD fly just fine for what its designed to do without changing a thing.

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