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« on: February 26, 2012, 03:16 PM »

Hi,

After Hadge's suggestion I noted on a piece of paper all the bridle lengths of my new Soul.
Today, by chance, I found an old post in which Headge and others comment on the lengths of the bridle of the Soul (http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=3275.0).
However, they do not seem to match mine.
So below I include the diagram I did with the lengths of the different segments to ask you whether they sound OK or whether they are somewhat off what they should actually be.
I must say I have been flying OK, but since I'm no expert, perhaps I could be flying better...  Huh
So any comments will be very appreciated.
Cheers,

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2012, 09:49 AM »

BTW, why so many knots and short segments between the knots?  Shocked
I have no idea as to why the bridle is so complex.
I'll be happy to learn more if somebody sheds light on this.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2012, 10:26 AM »

The knots are for adjusting the kite for the different wind conditions.  The pigtail leader on the top of the kite has multiple knots on it so you can either pull the nose towards you or lay the nose back away from you depending on your flying preferences.  You do this by moving the attachment point of the bridle line either up closer to the nose or down towards the end of the pigtail.  Some kites will also have adjustments on the bridle outhauls (attachment closest to the leading edte) and inhauls (attachment closest to the center T connector).  These adjustments are for you to adjust the kite even more, making the kite either more stable for precision or more radical for tricks.  Generally there is no "right" or "factory" setting.  The settings are usually basic settings for optimum wind conditions and you will want to adjust / experiment with them until you find a setting that works best for you.

Generally, you will pull the nose towards you for lighter winds, this gives the kite much more forward drive and makes it easier to fly when the winds are light.

Dropping the nose away from you will make the kite "feel heavier" which will slow the kite down a bit in stronger winds and will make the kite much easier to pitch and stall.  For tricks, a heavy setting is usually preferred (depending on the style of the pilot).

For ultra high winds, you may want to again pull the nose towards you.  This speeds the kite up but reduces the amount of force and pull on the sail.  Not the best for tricks but can reduce overall wear and may save some parts if you "just gotta fly no matter what".

Hope that helps.  If this is not what you were talking about then disregard. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 10:40 AM »

I now fly my Soul on the standard settings :-

Upper Outhaul - 54cm
Lower Outhaul - 57cm
Inhaul - 63cm
Turbo - 9.5cm

As supplied by Albert Chen of Flying Wings, this seems to work best.  The only adjustment I do is to the upper pigtail for wind speed. 

Yes, the Soul bridle is rather 'messy' with so much adjustment.  I did try retying a new simplified bridle using the standard settings but for some reason the kite really didn't like it and I had to change back to the original.

Mine is quite an old Soul, I did read somewhere that the newer souls are slightly different to the old ones and so your measurements may be different - I haven't seen any mention of a 'new' Soul on the FW website - can anyone confirm if this is correct?
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 10:50 AM »

Thanks to both Gamelord and Hadge, but I still cannot make out for each segment where they start and where they end according to your terms: upper/lower outhaul, inhaul, turbo.

I've been trying to compare with some sketches I have found in the web but I still cannot make the match.

Would it be asking too much to take my (ugly) sketch and mark what each segment is?
Or at least try to describe it like segments 8+1+0.5+6.5+18.5+17.5 make up the upper outhaul (or whatever), segment 26cm is... whatever, etc.

Thanks.

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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 12:21 PM »

OK,  from your sketch-

From the Spine your measurements 34cm+28cm =  62cm this is the Inhaul line

From the lower leading edge - 51cm +6cm = 57cm this is your lower outhaul

Your measurement 8.5cm - this is the Turbo


Your Uphaul line is from the point where the inhaul and turbo meet out to the leading edge with the pigtail adjustment on the middle knot - it should measure 54cm. On your sketch that will be ( I think) 17.5cm +18.5cm + 7 + the pigtail length - I hope this makes some sort of sense.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 04:01 PM »

Thanks Hadge.
I does make sense, although all the lengths are a bit off what you have; e.g. the Upper Outhaul is 52 as opposed to 54...
But I guess that I will not touch them because that is how they came from factory...

So other questions I now have are:
1. what is the name of the 26cm segment that goes from the Inhaul to the upper outhaul?
2. why is the turbo called turbo? And what is it used for?

Thanks!

N.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 05:58 PM »

That's the keeper.  Helps stop the bridle getting caught on the keel during tricks. 

Bridle info
http://www.ian.ourshack.org/kitedesign/bridling.html

http://wardley.org/kites/bridle/index.html

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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 06:08 AM »

Thanks!

N.
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