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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2012, 04:49 PM »

What is the frame?  Come on man spill the details!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2012, 01:05 AM »

What is the frame?  Come on man spill the details!!!!

WHen I complete the first production quality build I will post the specs and better pics.  I just used 3/8 wood in the proto and fabric shop uncoated RSN just to stay cheap and test the design.  Obviously a better frame and better cloth will change the wind range and lift power.  Even with the low grade heavy nylon  and high flex test frame I snapped 150# dacron line in the 10-12 mph winds I had in the vid with the tail.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2012, 02:18 PM »

Wow! This has been a great kite design and aerodynamics lesson!
It's great.
Thanks for commenting on my suggestion in such a serious and scientific way.
It is really great being able to learn from you all.
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2012, 12:14 AM »

There is a bit of an issue getting the cloth I want to use and a couple other things I have to do before I can actually start making these.  IN the mean time I've been playing around with different color schemes.  It was suggested I use a bit more white so here's what I Came up with for options.  OPinions?



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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2012, 12:47 AM »

White central tunnel.

That key feature needs emphasis.

After that, it's all good.  Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2012, 02:17 AM »

Stick with what you did originally.  Black tunnel, black leading edges, then colour, then grey , then white.  This will "pop" best in all skies - cloud or no cloud
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2012, 03:47 AM »

Stick with what you did originally.  Black tunnel, black leading edges, then colour, then grey , then white.  This will "pop" best in all skies - cloud or no cloud
Smiley !!!
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2012, 03:50 AM »

Stick with what you did originally.  Black tunnel, black leading edges, then colour, then grey , then white.  This will "pop" best in all skies - cloud or no cloud

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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2012, 04:03 AM »

I was watching the video with the tail again....well done...

so..what is the framing of the wings in the prototype?   It looks like the wings are flexing backwards quite a bit in that wind...if they are you might want to (and might want to anyway due to the size of this kite) bump the framing up to a .2560 or so.....

i finally realized one of the reasons i am drawn to this kite: its silhouette is reminiscent of the BMK Ichiban.....
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2012, 04:41 AM »

Just my 2C. I love your original design, but keep experimenting. I think you'll discover something you like just as much or more. I would be really interested if you started experimenting with curved sail pieces, like on other sport kites. BTW, I like the white tunnel and white tips with the purple and grey.

I think other people have mentioned, but I would be seriously interested in buying one of these when you get there.

BTW, what strength line did you use to fly it? It looked like 500# on the video.
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2012, 05:00 AM »

I was watching the video with the tail again....well done...

so..what is the framing of the wings in the prototype?   It looks like the wings are flexing backwards quite a bit in that wind...if they are you might want to (and might want to anyway due to the size of this kite) bump the framing up to a .2560 or so.....

i finally realized one of the reasons i am drawn to this kite: its silhouette is reminiscent of the BMK Ichiban.....
I have elements from a lot of places in the design.  Its hard to design something without being influenced by what other have done already. I actually started this with a completely different graphic in mind but I kept coming back to this same layout.  I've always likes the simple elegance of Kens layouts and a lot of what joel shultz has done so to say those two don't come through in my ideas would be a bit like saying Einstine doesn't influence other physicists.

As for the prototype, it does have a bit of cant to the wings in the design, butI just used wood dowels I had laying around so it had a lot of flex to it.  Its better with carbon rods but still has enough flex to survive 20-25 gusty winds.  The winds in the vid with the tail were average 17-20 with gust over 25.  Got to love storm front winds.

Just my 2C. I love your original design, but keep experimenting. I think you'll discover something you like just as much or more. I would be really interested if you started experimenting with curved sail pieces, like on other sport kites. BTW, I like the white tunnel and white tips with the purple and grey.

I think other people have mentioned, but I would be seriously interested in buying one of these when you get there.

BTW, what strength line did you use to fly it? It looked like 500# on the video.
IT was actually 200# line and I can tell ya it was singing pretty good.
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2012, 05:14 AM »

Stick with what you did originally.  Black tunnel, black leading edges, then colour, then grey , then white.  This will "pop" best in all skies - cloud or no cloud
Smiley !!!

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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2012, 08:43 AM »

I was watching the video with the tail again....well done...

so..what is the framing of the wings in the prototype?   It looks like the wings are flexing backwards quite a bit in that wind...if they are you might want to (and might want to anyway due to the size of this kite) bump the framing up to a .2560 or so.....

i finally realized one of the reasons i am drawn to this kite: its silhouette is reminiscent of the BMK Ichiban.....
I have elements from a lot of places in the design.  Its hard to design something without being influenced by what other have done already. I actually started this with a completely different graphic in mind but I kept coming back to this same layout.  I've always likes the simple elegance of Kens layouts and a lot of what joel shultz has done so to say those two don't come through in my ideas would be a bit like saying Einstine doesn't influence other physicists.

As for the prototype, it does have a bit of cant to the wings in the design, butI just used wood dowels I had laying around so it had a lot of flex to it.  Its better with carbon rods but still has enough flex to survive 20-25 gusty winds.  The winds in the vid with the tail were average 17-20 with gust over 25.  Got to love storm front winds.

ahh..
i forgot that you had said it was wood...
dang that was a bit of wind too.

still want to see the side view of the keels!

designs always subtly influence new designs...sometimes they they outright influence designs too...and that is part of the process...take ideas you learn from other sources and make your own....Last fall I had Robert Brasington stay with me for a few days and we put on a two day workshop.....some of the participants wanted to take the templates that he made for the kites so they could make more.   He agreed as the templates were quite worn out, but pointed out that it is fine for people to make more of the same kite but what he expected was for them to take the designs that they made and use them to further each person's own ideas.....it was wonderful to hear...

I look forward to seeing what other designs you have come with as well!

 
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2012, 09:15 PM »

Great looking. Good job! kw
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2012, 03:42 AM »

 Cool

Great stuff - looks great!  I imagine you will see a very notice-able increase in performance with coated kite cloth and a carbon (or wrapped carbon) frame.

*Love* drawing up and building my own stuff!  Careful - it's quite addictive...   Cheesy
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