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Author Topic: Fox pro UL.. first impression.  (Read 2903 times)
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« on: May 26, 2012, 04:24 PM »

So I had a chance to fly the pro UL today.
It flew great until i tried to put it into a turtle...DENIED. Sad
Kinda reminds me how my sano SSL refuses to roll up.
I havnt had a chance to really play with the bridle and the wind wasnt the
greatest but there def is a prob..IMHO.
I dont understand how the original fox's fly fine right out of the the box but these new and improved "pro's"
are turning out to be more of a puzzle than a performer. Cry

Like i said this is only my first impression flying it in dirty winds Lips sealed

Hopefully i will get it out in some smoother winds soon! Smiley

Anybody else pick one up yet?
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 02:19 PM »

Yup..smooth winds, tried adjusting the bridle every way possible, added TONS of weight on the tail..
which helped but still not a chance of rolling up.....not impressed.

The original UL's are a little heavy but id rather fly one of them any day.

If anybody would know what would help to get this thing to yoyo id appreciate it

thnx!



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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 02:33 AM »

Have you tried the combination of more tail weight and extra inner standoffs if it only has one pair of standoffs. Also shorten the upper outhaul which will help the kite pitch.

I have tried this with an opera and it works well. Sorts out the back spin too.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 08:21 AM »

Before you sell it, maybe you should wait a few days and see if Bell might come in and give you a few tips or suggestions. If it were me, I think I would try lowering the tow point.
Just a reminder: Make sure your "default" bridle setting is marked. Can you readily roll up any of your other UL kites? If so, make sure you are using the same exaggerated (for me) inputs.
Have you tried the two-pop method?
i was there during its maiden flights - we tried a few bridal tweaks, with no improvement. - the other foxes roll up easily (after what bridal adjustments, i dont know)
From what i seen, it just does not like to get into the turtle - it has a large dead spot in its backward arc, whether trying to get it to turtle or yoyo (one or two pop)
I didnt actually fly the kite - this is just what i witnessed during its frustrating first flights.
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2012, 09:08 AM »

Does it 2 pop easily?

I had a UL that I loved, but it would not yoyo to my satisfaction until I added 30g of weight, which adversely affected everything else.   It would 2 pop and multi lazy like a dream however, so I just adjusted my expectations.

Does it do other things well?
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2012, 09:13 AM »

 ???ssl not rollup, even with a two pop and some weight?
you may also find you have to move the shapeshifter out about two inches from the inner limit
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2012, 09:16 AM »

I spent a good part of the day yesterday trying to remedy the problem.
I tried everything. I tried adjusting the bridle every way possible, I tried adding extra weight
To the tail...I even tried a completely diff bridle all together.

The pro std also has trouble rolling up as well IMO.
So this is just worse on the ul.

I can yoyo very easily on other ul's I own.
Even my original 2.3 ul can wrap up just fine.
If I could get this pro ul to fly like the original
I'd be happy. Doesn't make sense how a "pro"
Is inferior to the Original.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2012, 09:20 AM »

I will add I marked the bridle and the kite is now
Back to the original settings.
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 10:44 AM »

My talon ul and ds ul roll up great.
I'm not sure of the weight of these kites off hand
But they are def true ul's.

The fox def has a deeper sail so this prob doesn't help.

I have flown quite a few kites considering the short amount
Of time I've been in the sport.
These are only flight characteristics I've
Noticed in a comparative sense...

The fox pro std flies great but even my original 2.3 ul will yoyo way faster ...
I've been meaning to add some extra weight to my pro std.
It def has a solid turtle but that yoyo is still slow IMHO.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 01:05 PM »

???ssl not rollup, even with a two pop and some weight?
you may also find you have to move the shapeshifter out about two inches from the inner limit

there was no weight and the SS wasnt played with - i really liked the SSL's low wind ability the way it was set up when i flew it.
Though i'd like to try it weighted.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2012, 02:36 PM »

My talon ul and ds ul roll up great.
There WILL come a time you will discover you only need about six kites to cover every conceivable wind condition including the just plain to fly ones like the Hq Breeze. I hope my wife never sees this post.  Wink
This is like fight club, how dare you talk about it, your going to get us all in trouble:D
You can at least get axles out of a breeze. It is more my "what can my friends fly in light wind that I won't care if it gets broke kite"
Do you have any weight on the dsul?
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2012, 04:27 PM »

D SUL? IM assuming your talking about the DS UL?
I have the weight on it that it came with ...flies great.

If you guys even watch the promo vid...you can see how it doesnt want to sit back in the turtle.

IM not sure how much weight i put on the fox pro UL but it was ALOT.....
I left the stock donut weight on it and put a VERY large R-sky type weight on..

I usually do a spin axle to get into a fade and this was even difficult, it didnt like to flare out enuf...

The kite does fly well though and it forsure lighter than past UL's
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 08:17 PM »

To have 1 stand off or 2 stand offs system that I had been considering for a long time.

To achieve the lower wind range that at the end I have define SF2.3 Pro UL as one

stand off (each side) set up.

 
With one stand off that SF2.3 Pro UL sail can “hold” more wind. Therefore, it can be

fly under lower wind condition. Also, most of tricks can be executed much easier and smoothly.

 
AdamId13, you are right! Cause SF2.3 Pro UL “hold” more wind that makes the YoYo and Turtle

can not performed as easier as SF2.3 Pro Std.

 If you wants to increase the YoYo and Turtle ability that you can modify the stand off as SF2.3 Pro

std set up. Attach is a photo show how to modify. But, remember, with 2 stand offs set up that the

low wind range will be increased a bit.

 
Hope this will help!!

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 09:11 PM »

Nice to hear from you bell!

1)So the white dot in the diagram is the currrent single stand off?

2)This will Require me To make 4 new holes In the trailing edge?

3)What's the best way to make the holes in the trailing edge?
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2012, 06:50 AM »

1)YES!
2)Yes!
3)Please reference following images! Make sure not to cut off the stitching line and leach line as well!





Thanks.
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