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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2012, 11:43 AM »

I checked the wind and it is between 2.5 and 5mph but it is varible today, I was flying in the middle of my lawn so there is no trees or buildings in the way. Now I'm launching it with 112' I'm in NY high on a hill overlooking Lake Erie and Canada.
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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2012, 12:01 PM »

Mike are you aware of NYKE? http://www.nyke.org/
I am pretty certain that someone is out there near you!
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2012, 12:20 PM »

No never heard of them, I looked it up and it looks like I'm closer to Cleveland than any of their event places. Never heard of most of those places. But, I'm thinking it is just bad wind today. And I can play around with that line to adjust the bend in the kite, I'm at 6" so I can increase or decrease it, or even see how a different kite acts in the same wind. My Zenith's rarely fall out of the sky.
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2012, 12:42 PM »

I tried the Zenith and that's on the ground too. So I'm going to say it's a bad wind day and hope for a better tomorrow.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2012, 01:37 PM »

Hey Mike: I am going to put out word on the NYKE listserv seeing if anyone is nearby..there are some members of NYKE who are on here as well....Kevin Reynolds is one who will probably pop in too.
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2012, 03:41 PM »

Trying to launch it, it would go from side to side then crash, I added a few small tails and it would go up and sway around up there then come down to the ground, any ideas?

Genki's can benefit from a long launch. If you can stand the kite's back against something and then roll out at least 100 ft (300 ft is better) of line. When you pull the line you will quickly have the kite overhead.

This works very well for low wind days as their is more wind above tree level.
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2012, 05:04 PM »

Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, http://osekcleveland.org/. They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.
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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2012, 05:26 PM »

Here are some photos of Poster Genkis:


skb, I'm not familiar with the term "Poster Genki." Is it the shape (rectangle) that gives it the name?

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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2012, 05:54 PM »

Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, http://osekcleveland.org/. They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.

I am a member but I'm based out of youngstown. Alot of the club guys fly at edge water state park. It's where the cleveland kite fest is held
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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2012, 06:50 PM »

New kites tend to invoke Murphy's New Kite Laws:
if you build or buy a light wind kite, the winds will howl
if you build or buy a high wind kite, the winds will whisper
if you build or buy any other kite, it will rain
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OH!! that law, yes I know that one very well! That's why I still live where I live.
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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2012, 06:55 PM »

Trying to launch it, it would go from side to side then crash, I added a few small tails and it would go up and sway around up there then come down to the ground, any ideas?

Genki's can benefit from a long launch. If you can stand the kite's back against something and then roll out at least 100 ft (300 ft is better) of line. When you pull the line you will quickly have the kite overhead.

This works very well for low wind days as their is more wind above tree level.

I just cut 412' of line in half because it seemed too high for me and that I saw a helicopter fly by a lot lower than that!
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2012, 07:04 PM »

Here are some photos of Poster Genkis:

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OK there you go, there is not one in the sky in these poster genki's without a tail or something holding them in check,, there is something here that applies elsewhere too! pennywise and dollarstupid? should I be spending effort?though/money on my tails as much as I do the kite itself?
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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2012, 07:14 PM »

Mike,

You may also want to look up the Ohio Society for the Elevation of Kites, http://osekcleveland.org/. They're based out of Cleveland. Gotta be someone near you there.
To me this is the best place to go for the things I'm asking and learning about. And I'm out to fill my yard/sky with kites!
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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2012, 07:24 PM »

OK there you go, there is not one in the sky in these poster genki's without a tail or something holding them in check,, there is something here that applies elsewhere too! pennywise and dollarstupid? should I be spending effort?though/money on my tails as much as I do the kite itself?
In smooth, light winds they don't need a tail, but we like to put them on because it adds to the beauty of the kite.
Yes I want to see this kite suck up there without tails, WOW, it is so 3D. I like quad line kites mostly. the SLK's are a treat.
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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2012, 03:14 PM »

Your genki should not need tails.  At least not that style of genki.  If the aspect ratio is too high, it might, but I don't think it is (I'm throwing out a technical caveat there.)  I've flown my 3:1 (12 footer) genki in 15-20 without tails, flew great.  I have a video somewhere...

Alright.

On the swaying and crashing thing.

Let's go back to the basics.

Do you have the daisy-chain bridle completely un-done and all the bridles are free and not tangled?

Do you have the spars assembled and inserted correctly - including the wing battens?

Do you have the bow depth set at 11"?

If you are confident that you have those things right, the only thing that can really go awry is the *setting* of the bridle. 

Do you have the flying line attached to the tow ring (or mistakenly somewhere else?)  How's the angle of attack?  With the kite resting on it's longerons facing the wind and in an upright position, does it take a noticeable tug on the line to get it to rise in the air?  *Can* you launch the kite that way?

The oscillating instability suggested on short lines is possible, but doesn't sound like what's happening here to me...

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