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Author Topic: New here and have some repair questions for Hawaiian Team  (Read 1062 times)
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« on: June 13, 2012, 03:50 PM »

Hello,

I haven't flown for a number of years and dragged out the kites to go flying. 

I now remember last time I flew the Hawaiian Team kite I lost some standoffs/whiskers in the tall grass along with another part I just replaced.  Problem is I don't know diameter, length or material of the standoffs.  I looked at post here where they listed specs for Hawaiian kites but I didn't understand a number of the abreviations on the top of the columns.  The tag on the kite says its a 3/4 team.  Assembled it measures 72" accross the wing span a the bottom of the kite, widest part.  I was temporarly using standoffs from another kite to get an idea of the width.

Another thing is how do I know if the frame parts are fiberglass or graphite.  They are black and look to my eye like some graphite/carbon tubing I have.

I remember it being fun to fly and would like to finish fixing it so I can fly it again.

Thanks for any help. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 04:21 PM »

They originally used too thin of fiberglass rod for the stand offs. 3 or 4 mm carbon rod would be preferable.

Can you give us a diameter on the spars? That would help ID them. Alternately I've heard that using a multimeter on resistance can work, carbon will conduct where fiberglass will show an open circuit.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 04:50 PM »

They originally used too thin of fiberglass rod for the stand offs. 3 or 4 mm carbon rod would be preferable.

Can you give us a diameter on the spars? That would help ID them. Alternately I've heard that using a multimeter on resistance can work, carbon will conduct where fiberglass will show an open circuit.


I hadn't thought about using a multimeter.  Good idea, I'll give it a try.  How do determine the length of the stand offs?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 04:54 PM »

Hello,

Another thing is how do I know if the frame parts are fiberglass or graphite.  They are black and look to my eye like some graphite/carbon tubing I have.


Another option.
Use fine sand paper to sand the end of the rod. Fiberglass will leave a white residue, carbon will be black.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 07:40 PM »

from the database


Hawaiian  Team Kite

WINGS Materials   SPINE Material    LWR SPR Material UPR SPRDR Material BATTENS Material STANDOFF Material


65.0        .350 FG    32.5  .350 FG     32.5     .337 FG     22.0      .337 FG     51.5      .278 FG    9.0     3/32 FGR

Hope this helps
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 07:47 PM »

If your kite is about 6 feet across, it may be a different TOTL model.

The Team Hawaiian is about 8 feet across.
The photo below shows Mike Dennis and Pam Kirk with their "modernized"
version, which knocks about 6 ounces off the original's weight.
It had several color combinations, but this one is fairly common:



I was able to get an axel to fade to recovery out of it.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 08:21 PM »

6 foot across would be a 3/4 model.
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 08:30 PM »

6 foot across would be a 3/4 model.
The 3/4 model was called the Maui
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2012, 12:00 AM »

I reframed my first kite ever, a pink Maui, in either 2100 or .2400 pulltrude. Actually, I paid Alan Nagao to do it. It flew a lot better, in both lighter winds and stronger winds, hummed instead of farting, almost enough to make it "radical", but in the end, it was still a 3/4 hawaiian, and couldn't compete with the flyabaility of the NSR.
I have since sold it, but I think it was spined in 2400, with 2100 edges and spreaders.
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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2012, 07:12 AM »

I reframed my first kite ever, a pink Maui, in either 2100 or .2400 pulltrude. Actually, I paid Alan Nagao to do it. It flew a lot better, in both lighter winds and stronger winds, hummed instead of farting, almost enough to make it "radical", but in the end, it was still a 3/4 hawaiian, and couldn't compete with the flyabaility of the NSR.
I have since sold it, but I think it was spined in 2400, with 2100 edges and spreaders.

Nice upgrade.  Cool

Upgraded my Hawaiian with P400 skysharks. can still handle high winds but can not be flown in in the lower wind range.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 08:02 AM »

More from the database

Hawaiian Maui
WINGS Materials   SPINE Material    LWR SPR Material UPR SPRDR Material BATTENS Material STNDOFF Material

50.25  .278 FG      24.75 .350 FG       25.0     .278 FG   17.0         .278 FG  39.0      .278 FG   13.5   3/32 FGR

Hawaiian Maui '95
WINGS Materials   SPINE Material    LWR SPR Material UPR SPRDR Material BATTENS Material STNDOFF Material

49.0  SKYSK 6.3    24.75 SKYSK 6.3  25.0    SKYSK6.3   17.0     SKYSK6.3  39.0     .278 FG   14.0     3/32 FGR

Hawaiian Maui '96
WINGS Materials   SPINE Material    LWR SPR Material UPR SPRDR Material BATTENS Material STNDOFF Material

49.0    .240 GRPH 24.75  .240GRPH  25.0    .240GRPH    17.0      .240GRPH  39.0     .278 FG 1  4.0     3/32 FGR



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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 09:15 AM »

kiteking,

Thanks for the information.  If I reading your post data correctly, I'm not a real techy kite guy, it says the stand offs for the Maui are 3/32" fiberglass rod 14" long?  Seems kind of long.  I'll look at the kite when I get home today from work.

Tag on the kite did say it was a 3/4 Hawaiian and it did measure 6' across.  Don't remember the rest of it. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 05:18 PM »

the stand offs for the Maui are 3/32" fiberglass rod 14" long? 

Looks like they went from 13.5 on the orginal, to 14 on the next models, I don't have a Maui myself so I cant verify
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 06:13 PM »

Thanks everyone for you input. 

I took skb's advice and made some stand offs with some fiberglass rod I had.  I used a multimeter on the frame and tested it on some graphite tubing I had to verify the test.  The frame is all fiberglass and the repairs I made years ago were also fiberglass.  So I did good it's all repaired now so I can fly it again.  Tag on the kite says "3/4 Hawaiian team kite by top of the line".  Got it years ago on sale.

As I said I hadn't flown in years until last weekend.  I only flew one of my kites.  I live in the midwest outside of Chicago.  Best place I have found to fly around here is at work.  Large open area.  Total site is 6800 acres.  Lots of open space for the wind. There's a large area with tall grass, nice cushion for crashes, but tough to find lost stand offs.  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2012, 06:37 AM »

I live in the midwest outside of Chicago.  Best place I have found to fly around here is at work. 


You might want to get connected with IKE, they have quite a few spots they get together and fly

have fun
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