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« on: June 20, 2012, 02:59 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 03:55 PM »

Norm -Is that using the same dimensions as the original reverse turbo fitted to the Shadow?

I'm currently using Norm's 3 point bridle which works well for me. Dimensions as measured on the kite are as follows :

Uphaul - 44cm ( with pigtail set on middle knot)
Outhaul - 57cm
Inhaul - 53.5cm

On this the kite flies well with most of the oversteer/twitchyness gone but all the tricks - at least all the ones I can do - still there.

The other problem I've found with the Shadow generally is that sometimes tricks like flic flacs seem to fail due to lack of inertia and roll ups have always been hard.  This is probably down to the very low weight of the Shadow - only 165 grams - so I'm going to try a few experiments to see if I can add a little weight and so more inertia without losing too much bottom end performance.

Anyone else ever tried any mod's on the Shadow other than the bridle?
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 04:28 PM »

@ username: Wayner...I added a long tow point pigtail with an extra knot to make a turbo. When you do your testing don't forget to adjust your tow point. I lowered mine 1/2". I  haven't given it a test flight yet. You haven't had any wind out there in area 51 yet, huh?
 

Thanks for the update. I should be finished tomorrow.  Smiley

We have had too much wind here around area 51. Boy, its enought to keep the flying saucer in the hangers.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 12:39 AM »

@ Hadge....Yes, the measurements are very close to the same, but the configuration
is totally different. Also, now I have added the long tow point pigtail with an addictional knot to make a turbo. It's the same configuration as the Silver Fox tow point  "bead" turbo. This looks different because the Silver Fox has the tow point with the extended Leader Lines.
Does this make sense?

Yes I think I see, it's basically the 3 point with the option of a turbo?

How far down is your Turbo knot?
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 02:24 PM »

I'll give it a try next time out. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 09:52 AM »

Uh?
Looking at the shadow on the photo...compared to your measurements...HUMMM?
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 just doesn't add up when I tried to re-configure my pre-production demo Shadow's bridle?
Chances are pretty strong that my  lack of cm' knowledge measurements don't add up to those shown on your photo?
dumb n dumber Don (exiled here in Gig Harbor with his exiled ol Shadown. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2012, 04:08 PM »

Norm,
Love the new bridle. Have flow the kite about 10 times and I'm astonish by the improvement for me as a one year trick flyer.

The kite is more stable at its lower wind range. The twitchy action is gone.

A big bonus is the improved line feedback. Line pull is stronger, allowing for better communication between the pilot and kite.

A side note, The improved line feel clearly showed the bumpiness of wind on the sail, but this did not affect the kite performance. The Shadow cut through it, much like my Mongooses.

Chilese had a brief chance to fly the Shadow, till one of my bridle knots moved. Not sure it it was enought time for him to develop a opinion

Could not be happier, Thanks Norm
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2012, 04:48 PM »


Glad you liked the bridle.....Now show me (video) four Backspins/Barrel Rolls and I'll show you a new pair of Flight/Finger Straps.  Wink


Now that is a offer!  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 11:05 AM »




Chilese had a brief chance to fly the Shadow, till one of my bridle knots moved. Not sure it it was enought time for him to develop a opinion.


The Shadow bridle tends to slip as it's unsleeved Dyneema - try rubbing some Beeswax on the knots that usually stops it. I've retied mine in such a way that it can't slip.

I don't know which version of Norm's bridle you are using - the 3  point or the Turbo - but it makes a big difference to the Shadow. 
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 05:47 PM »


I don't know which version of Norm's bridle you are using - the 3  point or the Turbo - but it makes a big difference to the Shadow. 



I am using the turbo bridle. Don't have the 3 point to compare to. But very happy with the turbo. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2012, 08:30 PM »


I don't know which version of Norm's bridle you are using - the 3  point or the Turbo - but it makes a big difference to the Shadow. 
Yes, it made a difference for me also.

I am using the turbo bridle. Don't have the 3 point to compare to. But very happy with the turbo. Smiley
The picture above in the first post shows the bridle in a turbo position. To move it to a 3-point setting, just loosen the larkshead and move it down on top of the tow point. Hope that makes sense.


I got it Norm. I will also try the 3 point setting to see what I like better
 
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2012, 11:37 PM »

Are the values in the second post correct?
Is the outhaul really longer than the inhaul?
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 01:32 AM »

Are the values in the second post correct?
Is the outhaul really longer than the inhaul?

Yes those measurements are correct - I just measured it again to double check myself!

You will find a BIG difference in the way it flies - much smoother and almost no oversteer, it makes it a much nicer kite.  I'm working on another mod which also seems to help but that needs a little more airtime to be sure.  When/if I'm happy it really works I'll post details in due course.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 09:08 AM »

As a new owner of a Shadow I'll take this into consideration. Haven't had it out yet. I flew one way back when they were first out and didn't have a bad impression of the bridle, but maybe it will reveal its evil side with time.

Other than oversteer, what is corrected in the new bridle?

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 09:39 AM »

The main thing is bringing the oversteer under control, it was always a problem on the Shadow and you either adjusted to it or got rid of the kite - hence it's love it ot loathe it reputation - which was a shame as it's a very good UL.  This way you get rid of the oversteer and keep all the tricks and low wind ability.

It's easy enough to tie the new bridle alongside the original bridle so you can swap from one to the other to compare them.
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