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Author Topic: Gemini UL - any good with turtle based maneuvers?  (Read 611 times)
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« on: June 25, 2012, 01:01 PM »

I have been away from flying sport kites and 6 years, and now I am back.  Understanding that the Gemini UL is an old design, I just pick one up directly from Tim Benson as I just want to do some old school tricks like 540 flat spin, cascade, backspin, flic-flac and backspin cascade etc. 

Dated back 10 years ago, I used to own the older version of Gemini std and UL, both of which are very weak in all the turtle based maneuver.  With this latest version that has the rollbar, does it have any improvement in those yo-yo,  lazy susan and jacob ladder tricks?

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 07:53 PM »

My limited experience with the Gemini is that it does not have a deep turtle and will not stay in any turtle position for very long.

You need to be real quick. Whilst it tricks well it is not my preferred Benson Kite.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 09:04 PM »

THe newer version is better but still requires the right touch for turtle based tricks.  I have a Gen one Gem and can do just about anything with it.  You still have to throw it deep in the turtle and hit the tricks  before it fully settles in though.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 03:00 AM »

One of the problems with the original Gem's was that the trickline got in the way of turtle based tricks- lazies etc. A lot of people 'pulled in' the trickline by shortening the connecting lines from the standoffs from 10cm ( I think) down to 6cm and lengthening the trickline to suit or cutting it in half and putting a piece of elastic cord in the middle like the Outerspace. This helped quite a bit.  I understand that the latest generation Gems have been 'tweeked' a bit to make them better at more modern tricks but they are still not in the same class as the Deepspace.  Most Benson kites seem to like you to flow from one trick into another, they don't seem to like waiting around for the next input.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 03:19 AM »

RIght Hadge.  THe gem definitely makes a good dance partner once you learn the steps and it ain't no waltz either.  More like a Jitterbug.  Trick line connectors are 7CM now and the spine section was narrowed a bit as well as a skyshark reframe with stops or bars and 7gm weights in each tail
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 04:51 AM »

I have both, a new Gem and an old one, and they're the same in the turtle. Not the easiest kites to do a JL, but with some concentration, a few rungs will pop out. It's one of those kites that likes to go one trick to the next... think fast !
Check out the 'Stoked in the Park' videos or 'Sleight of Hand' video to see the Gem at it's best...

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 04:58 AM »

Check out Lars' Gemini videos as well:

Gemini Freestyle, multilazies!
http://www.bensontwins.nl/video/freestyle.mov

Gemini/Deespace mix:
http://www.bensontwins.nl/video/finalgemspace.wmv
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 01:11 PM »

I have both, a new Gem and an old one, and they're the same in the turtle. Not the easiest kites to do a JL, but with some concentration, a few rungs will pop out. It's one of those kites that likes to go one trick to the next... think fast !
Check out the 'Stoked in the Park' videos or 'Sleight of Hand' video to see the Gem at it's best...


Yep it definitley won't wait for ya.  It remindes me of the q-pro in that your timing and inputs have to be near perfect to get it to do what you want.  Ironically I think its better with the original first gen crossover active bridle but I haven't tried it with the tri star bridle yet
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 06:43 PM »

Check out Lars' Gemini videos as well:

Gemini Freestyle, multilazies!
http://www.bensontwins.nl/video/freestyle.mov

Gemini/Deespace mix:
http://www.bensontwins.nl/video/finalgemspace.wmv


thats some nice flying.
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