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« on: July 16, 2012, 08:48 PM »

.. want to revisit some tricks that I have not nailed down yet, and slot machine is one of those.

Are the following steps considered a slot machine?

1) fly horizontally from left to right
2) pop a half axle and as long as the kite goes flat
3) pop the upper line and slack the lower to initiate the spin

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3) slack both lines and immediately pop the upper line to initiate the spin?

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 01:46 AM »

Top one looks about right.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2012, 04:55 AM »

It's a bit kite dependent, but it's easier to do if you don't let the kite come completely flat. 45 degrees will be sufficient before initaiting the rotation.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2012, 05:10 AM »

As Jaydub says, it can be kite dependent, my Jive 2 & Shadow do them very easily, my Pulsar needs the kite to be in just the right position or it tip wraps.  I find a small push on the top wing before the pull often helps.  If you look at Jaydubs avatar, that is about the position you're looking for. Have you checked out Randy G's tutorial? I found it helpful.

http://v2.1.kiteclique.com/wordpress-3.0/wordpress/tutorials/randygs
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2012, 09:29 AM »

I think the avatar was captued mid-Taz IIRC.  Undecided

You really don't need to take it that flat.  The flatter you take the flare the greater the chance of getting it into a tip wrap.  Can lead to a nice slot - unslot combo, but you won't find that in any text books. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2012, 01:05 PM »

You can change step 1 in: fly horizontally from right to left   Cheesy

With SUL's I discovered that it makes the Slotmachine much flatter and a bit faster when you make a third input with the other hand during the rotation. You can minimize this pop, but it gives you a bit more control.

Good luck!
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 09:32 PM »

What you want to do for flat ones is practice down wind glides. If you flatten the kite out and maintain a glide, you can rotate until you run out of altitude. I hate pop and pray tricks and much prefer being in control the whole time. Watch any of the old school kite videos. The guys hitting flat flat spins are moving down wind. You can even do it with modern ass heavy kites.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2012, 01:21 AM »

Slot Machines are Pop and Pray? Not really...

Also, the flatspin you describe sounds more like a pinwheel or helicopter.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2012, 11:59 AM »

Slot Machines are Pop and Pray? Not really...

Also, the flatspin you describe sounds more like a pinwheel or helicopter.

A my definition of a pinwheel is when the kite spins on its own after the flyer starts it spinning. If you're in control the whole time, I call that multiple flat spins.

If you're trying to one pop flat flat spins, you're not going to be able to consistently do that unless you're flying something like the trick tail in light  wind.  I'm not a big fan of one pop slots and wonky Taz machine type stuff. Looks like the kite is broken.  It's supposed to look like its spinning on a table. Not wonky donkey out of control bs.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2012, 06:49 PM »

"I'm not a big fan" ... "Looks like" ... "supposed to"

now with your opinion out of the way, show a little tolerance and add something constructive or relevant.

like...

to avoid tip wraps it helps for one of the angles of the kite to be around 45 degrees, whether it's with one wingtip being higher than the other, or with one wingtip being closer to you than the other. with the second, you must be quicker to give slack following your rotational input.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2012, 01:02 AM »

If you're trying to one pop flat flat spins, you're not going to be able to consistently do that unless you're flying something like the trick tail in light  wind.  I'm not a big fan of one pop slots and wonky Taz machine type stuff. Looks like the kite is broken.  It's supposed to look like its spinning on a table. Not wonky donkey out of control bs.

Wow, i would love to see someone do one pop slots. How does that work? Agreed, totally flat, flying straight down, all the way 540's are hard on today's kites but i would like to see someone hit them 10 out of 10 on a tricktail. Also quite challenging, right?

What exacty is a wonky Taz?
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 06:31 AM »

"I'm not a big fan" ... "Looks like" ... "supposed to"

now with your opinion out of the way, show a little tolerance and add something constructive or relevant.


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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 11:19 PM »

It's all about the difference in being a kite whisperer and a wonky donky yanker spanker.
Graceful vs. jerk and pray.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2012, 06:59 PM »

I am a j and p for sure...
Which could be why I could not pull this trick off this weekend.

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