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Author Topic: How do you handle your lines on a winder  (Read 2850 times)
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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2012, 01:00 AM »

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It does not matter at all that the ends are apparently different lengths when wrapped up.

The only thing that matters is that they are matched lengths when unwound.

It's more the unwinding as stated above, when the lines are pretty far off on the winder you often end up with one coming off the top and one off the bottom, makes it hard to do the wobble as you walk to unwind.

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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2012, 02:24 PM »

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It does not matter at all that the ends are apparently different lengths when wrapped up.

The only thing that matters is that they are matched lengths when unwound.

It's more the unwinding as stated above, when the lines are pretty far off on the winder you often end up with one coming off the top and one off the bottom, makes it hard to do the wobble as you walk to unwind.



This is indeed why I asked if it was just me, or if it's common.
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« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2012, 08:53 PM »

To address this, when I unwind, I grasp both lines at the winder and pull them off two feet at a time as I walk the lines out. This seems to eliminate most of the instances of one line slipping off early, unless I was sloppy and put a few loose wraps on the winder.

By the way, when unwinding, the flight straps with line attached are the first thing off the winder.  And I don't use a stake, so it's pretty necessary for me to pull the line off the winder anyway.
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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2012, 11:52 PM »

I guess it comes to a matter of preference. It just seems to me when I wrap using figure 8 that the lines avoid any twisting or remove any twist in SLK lines. Flat awlays seems to just lock up the twists and I get kinks. The only thing I can think of to compare it to is spooling a garden hose or extension cord. When I wrap an extension cord around my arm I always get twists in the cord and it starts to kink. Same with spooling the hose. With the figure 8 I just seem to avoid that issue. IDK why.

I'd say this is the key. The examples of the hose and extension chords are great. I was taught never to wind audio or electric chords straight because it creates kinks. These actually make the cable twist along its length and this eventually breaks the copper wire inside because of the twist.
So in kite lines I don't think the problem is to generate twists between lines, but rather twists on each line. This longitudinal twist can go against the natural twist of the smaller threads that compose each line and therefore, on the long run, make the line loose compactness or stretch.

So 8 winding does save your lines from that.
And this therefore goes for singles, duals and quads alike.
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2012, 12:27 AM »

Good and correct analogy/info with cables and cords but....for my dual and quad linesets I use the flat wind method....as long as the lines are going onto the winder neatly and under a good uniform tension. I have some really really old lines that are still fine using this method.
Way more importantly however, is that I dawdle, and after unwinding the lines I take an extra minute or so to "milk the lines" from the stake to the flying end(s). This takes any little twists out of the individual lines plus gives me an inspection of the lines. Sure it`s an extra bit of walking and a little more time, but sure beats the heck out of hurrying and getting a tangle....especially with 50lb line...
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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2012, 04:09 AM »

Ok. Next topic, toilet paper: over or under?
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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2012, 06:55 AM »

Good and correct analogy/info with cables and cords but....for my dual and quad linesets I use the flat wind method....as long as the lines are going onto the winder neatly and under a good uniform tension. I have some really really old lines that are still fine using this method.
Way more importantly however, is that I dawdle, and after unwinding the lines I take an extra minute or so to "milk the lines" from the stake to the flying end(s). This takes any little twists out of the individual lines plus gives me an inspection of the lines. Sure it`s an extra bit of walking and a little more time, but sure beats the heck out of hurrying and getting a tangle....especially with 50lb line...
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I don't understand this milking after unwinding quadlines as they are attached to each other at both ends, I tug the lefts apart from the rights then attach to the kite walk back until the lines intersect give the rights an extra tug or 2 to get the final twists up to the handles now it's ready to fly then I fly, so you pop the kite up and get the twists out of the left top and bottom and the twists out of the right top and bottom lines, the go disconnect each side of the kite and go back to the stake and milk each line each time you attach lines to your quadline kite? On 120' lines that's about 1/4 mile worth of dawdling!
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2012, 07:14 AM »

Ok. Next topic, toilet paper: over or under?

Perpendicular to the wall.
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2012, 08:13 AM »

Ok. Next topic, toilet paper: over or under?

Perpendicular to the wall.

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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2012, 10:35 PM »

 so you pop the kite up and get the twists out of the left top and bottom and the twists out of the right top and bottom lines, the go disconnect each side of the kite and go back to the stake and milk each line each time you attach lines to your quadline kite? On 120' lines that's about 1/4 mile worth of dawdling!
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Sorry to hijack the TP thread Cheesy...
Uh not quite....the lines are wound out, (handles/straps) attached at the stake....you can then carry the kite to the flying ends with one hand while milking the lines with the other hand...attach lines to kite and you`re ready to go.... Don`t have to do it all the time...just every now and then.
On a side note...sorry no 120`s here...never liked `em.....100`s and/or less please...not as much dawdling!!!
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2012, 10:44 PM »

I'd watch John Baressi's video on it - google on it, saved me much time.  Somehow, 4 lines are much more complex to manage than 2, but get into a routine and it's easy. 
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