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« on: July 21, 2012, 02:56 PM »

This is probably nothing new, but has anyone tried it?  I never do it before but I just do it today a few times.  It is quite cool.

Fly up high and then do a vertical dive, pop the first 540 right at the middle of descent; regain line tension with nose pointing 45 degree downward; pop the second 540 when it gets close to the ground.  I am using 100ft line and longer lines will make it easier...  you may get a triple 540s with 120-130 ft lines. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 03:24 PM »

When a kite finishes a 540, the nose should be pointed in the general direction of the

pilot. The kite may be still pointed forward (in which case a second horizontal rotation

would result in a 900) or the nose may be pointed more toward the sky (fly kite away).

To do what you suggest sounds as if the 540 rotation would have to be choked after

about 400 degrees of rotation.

Are you asking if anyone has done ever descending 540s very close in time to each

other? It is hard to do a proper 540 and have the kite lined up for another.

But then there are many tricksters here much better than myself who may have

the answer you are looking for.  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 03:28 PM »

I agree with John's description.  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2012, 03:41 PM »

Doing a sequence of Flat Spins in a vertical dive isn't that complicated - you just need to be clean in exiting the rotation and getting the kite powered up again before popping the next. An issue is that modern kites don't overly adhere to the flat portion of a Flat Spin so exiting pointing downwards becomes the difficult bit.

And then let's move on to 720s and 1080s  Cheesy

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 03:49 PM »

It's hard for me to picture what you're doing.

Seems like maybe you're flaring, doing a 360 flat spin and then taking up tension. Then repeat with another flare and maybe a full 540?

Or maybe do a 540 and then sort of turn down again so you can hit another 540?

Whatever, keep doing it and get it on video. It's cool to see unusual combos.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2012, 04:35 PM »

The two 540s I am talking about do not happen consecutively, but they do happen in one single dive.  As soon as the first 540 is completed, just slightly steer it to make it point 45 degree downward and let it continue on the dive, then complete the second 540 when it gets closed to the ground.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2012, 04:49 PM »

The two 540s I am talking about do not happen consecutively, but they do happen in one single dive.  As soon as the first 540 is completed, just slightly steer it to make it point 45 degree downward and let it continue on the dive, then complete the second 540 when it gets closed to the ground.

Take a look at this. Having completed a 540 (so named as the kite rotates through 540) it will be heading directly upwards and no 45 turn is going to make it point remotely downwards.

What I suspect you're doing is close to 360 Flat(ish) Spins in a sequence and the little extra turn is correcting for the skewed "flat" that modern kites go through.

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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 05:16 PM »

It depends on what point the tension is regained. Everything is happening so fast in that split of a second... Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2012, 05:21 PM »

It depends on what point the tension is regained.
Correct, but it sounds like you regain tension after 360 degrees, not 540 degrees.  So a 360 followed by a 540.  Wink

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2012, 09:35 PM »

This is probably nothing new, but has anyone tried it?  I never do it before but I just do it today a few times.  It is quite cool.

Fly up high and then do a vertical dive, pop the first 540 right at the middle of descent; regain line tension with nose pointing 45 degree downward; pop the second 540 when it gets close to the ground.  I am using 100ft line and longer lines will make it easier...  you may get a triple 540s with 120-130 ft lines. Smiley


Did it look something like this...

Flying the ITW Kymera, Winter 2012...


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It's something that I've done by accident, unfortunately didn't catch a clean one on film... Every once in a while, I'll find the spot to put in that second or third rotation. Sometimes even fly away clean...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2012, 04:17 AM »


Did it look something like this...


I've found I can do these really cleanly with an UL  in soft on-shore winds.  The trick to getting them is to do the initial 540 as S-L-O-W as possible, and start away from the wind centre.  The kite will drift towards the centre of the wind with each rotation, and maintain its flat orientation.  With careful timing and very light inputs I can get 540, 900, 1260s and have even fluked a 1620.

The first time I nailed these ... OzomozO  Huh  Huh
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 06:19 AM »

Hi Bob,

Wow, that is nice, but this is not what I did.  I need to regain the tension after the first 540, but yours is more like a 1080.  Did you pop twice during the spin?  But yea, it is cool.  I am going to try it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 11:29 AM »

Back to back 540's like Rob did are fun to try.  Actually multiple 360 spins since you have to hit another input with the kite nose away.  My record so far on my solus is 4 but it degenerates badly after 2-3.  Need to try on my vapor.
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