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« on: July 24, 2012, 01:26 PM »

I never understood why they put the short stick in the top and the long one at the bottom on these.  Makes it nearly impossible to carry around unless you remove the LLE completely.  If you reverse them, the ULE is 50 inches which matches the spine which would allow the kite to be overall shorter with the LLEs loose and tips folded up.

Has anyone reversed them?  What was the impact?  I don't think they trick well anyway, so I am not sure it really matters in terms of lowering the weight along the LE.

I have two of them and since they are big, impressive kites, they will look great in a stack with some long tails.  Just wanted to see if anyone had swapped the ULE/LLE before.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 03:09 PM »

Not a lot of FireStorms out there big guy.

It is, as you say, a big impressive kite.

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2012, 03:12 PM »

Who's the guy on the far left?
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2012, 04:06 PM »

I'm not sure. He may be the one who owned the Firestorm.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2012, 04:21 PM »

I tried to swap the two leading edge pieces but the nocks at the ends were glued on and I couldn't get them off without destroying the spars.  I ended up ordering new leading edge spars and made them equal length.  It folds up much better now.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2012, 04:58 PM »

I've also heard of folks making a 3 piece LE for it, not sure how that worked out though.  I sold mine awhile back.

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2012, 05:49 PM »

Yeah...in here Rob suggests 3 piece skyshark frames....
http://www.gwtwforum.com/index.php?topic=7498.0
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2012, 08:04 PM »

Thanks for the input.  I think I will try it to see how it works out if I can get the fitting loose without tearing up the rod.

No big advantage to going with a 3 piece since the spine is 50" (matches the LLE).  I think P400s might be a bit too flexible with this long of a LE anyway.  I do have a bunch of Nitros, but I don't have anything to put in the middle unless I put an insert in the Nitros and neck them down with inserts to work with a P400 in the middle.

I just saw on the Skyshark page that the 8P has the same 8mm diameter as the current frame and comes in 42" sections.  That would be long enough to make a two piece frame and has the added bonus of reusing the same fitting.  I might look into that.

BTW, I see the P*X frames are still listed on the Skyshark page.  Did they start making them again or they just didn't take the previous information down?
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 08:16 PM »

Who's the guy on the far left?

Could be Andrew McIvor
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 06:31 AM »

I never understood why they put the short stick in the top and the long one at the bottom on these.  Makes it nearly impossible to carry around unless you remove the LLE completely.  If you reverse them, the ULE is 50 inches which matches the spine which would allow the kite to be overall shorter with the LLEs loose and tips folded up.

Sounds a lot like the way the old Prism Flashlights were sparred. You almost had to remove the LLE to fold it reasonably. Let us know what you end up doing, Doug.

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 11:50 AM »


No big advantage to going with a 3 piece since the spine is 50" (matches the LLE).  I think P400s might be a bit too flexible with this long of a LE anyway. 

I bought a Firestorm sail a few years ago and dreamed up a frame out of stuff I mostly had sitting around. I used P300s in the LE but stuffed them with .2400 pultrude for about 2/3 of the LE. Works great. The spreaders were harder and are still not quite right. Stuffed P300 in the middle and 7PTs on either side. Too bendy at the ends. It's a BIG kite.

It's a lot lighter than stock. Flys very easy in low wind. The hybrid LEs might reduce the weight on a stock kite somewhat, but I don't know about comparative stiffness, I've never had hands on those big 8mm sticks.
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 01:09 PM »

I have a couple bad LLEs, so I have to try something.  Plus I want to get rid of the extra long ULE/short LLE setup to make it easier to break down.  I think I am going to try the 8Ps in the LE and use the 8mm pultruded for spreaders.  The extra pultruded LLEs I have on hand can be used for spare spreaders. 

Waiting for Steve to get back with me on availability/cost.  You lurking out there Steve, buddy?  Check your email and get back with me.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 01:41 PM »

Reply sent Doug.  Got what you need.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 07:22 PM »

Thanks Steve.  For some reason my emails are not coming though to my phone very regularly.  Frustrating.

Paypal sent.
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