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« Reply #60 on: June 09, 2013, 09:59 PM »

thats what i like to hear! thats the system working. the revs are nice and its sure easy to get sucked into having a complete set a bpros!! 
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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2013, 11:05 AM »

I want to say I only fly B PRO and that all I fly! Now a for this, do what you like, and fly what you want. But I have to say you get what you pay for. I love kite any size and shape.  Cool
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« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2013, 01:00 AM »

Sorry...links to other shops are not allowed even if being used as an example....

i think revs patent has expired.  now the shape is the same as any other deltaish dual line.  now hopefully we can get some competition around and more people can afford quad lines.  im still waiting to return my rev bpro its again completely wrong.  ill be sticking with my bpros dont get me wrong there is nothing better then a rev kite.
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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2013, 11:01 AM »

Whats do wrong about your B-pro?  I'd think it be hard to screw up that design.
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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2013, 11:10 AM »

Whats do wrong about your B-pro?  I'd think it be hard to screw up that design.
iirc i saw that there was a request for custom colors that was not fulfilled completely....
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« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2013, 03:19 AM »

Yeah just needs a little touch up. Must have gotten the wires crossed somewhere.  That's what happens when you get fancy awesome custom cool stuff. It gets made by a real person Smiley

Would I be banished if I got a freilein vented instead of an xtra vent custom bpro. I usually am a fair weather flyer. So I don't fly is 20 plus often enough to justify 500 bucks or whatever amount it is. But I can afford 130 for the couple days a year ill fly it.

Just out of curiosity...

Would you fly with someone or shun them into exile with this kite?

Would you shun or ban a kite store that sold another kite option like this, like they do with dual lines that all look the same?

Note they are not knock offs there is no legal issue. The dual delta for quad line is as free to make as a single delta dual line. 
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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2013, 08:41 AM »

I would not shun someone for it but explain just what I have always  explained with copies.  Just because revs patent has expired doesn't mean its ok to make clones and claim the design as your own.  You should at least give acknowledment to the original designer. Dual line makers at least give credit to regallo for the wing design and even if some ideas are shaky as to who invented them credit is given to all designers of the early years for the evolution of duals.

 The issue i have with china is they have never honored patenets/copyright laws of anyone and allow the theft as long as its not one of their companies that gets stolen from.

Now IMO the rev extra vent is a bit much for what it is since material wise its the cheapest rev to build.  Screen is about 1/3 the cost of icarex.
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« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2013, 11:36 AM »

Nothing really out of china would i say is above the bar. And rev is defiantly the birth and master of the quad line I don't think anyone would ever deny that. But I'm pretty sure if some one in the states started making a similar design we would still be talking about it. 
  And thanks i wasn't curtain who made dual line delta ish kite. Never heard someone give credit where credit is due. I wonder if there were these talks back in the day when more then one company wanted to make a decent dual line...?
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« Reply #68 on: July 23, 2013, 02:26 PM »

Regallo invented the wing shape we use in duals. That's why it's called a regallo wing( conical or cylindrical depending on design). The 3 point bridle can be credited to him as well but more loosely.  There have been debates over who invented what feature and even a few patent fights over it but nothing compared to the rev. Largely due to revs aggressive litigious nature when it comes to their design.
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« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2013, 12:26 AM »

I'd fly with you, Cyphert, if you had a Freileing(?). So long as you had LPG lines.....
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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2013, 02:49 AM »

i wouldnt use anything else but lpg! unless someone came out with something that felt better on my fingers. i hate how LPG feels on the fingers.
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« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2013, 03:56 AM »

in my opinion lpg is best last longest its like getting a volkswagon or a cadilac thats just my opinion i have flown with 50 lb when everyboby else flys with 90lb never btoke line yet have some lpg 10 years old
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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2013, 05:58 PM »

what would happen if some one made some knock of lpg lines!!! im sure some one would sue someone... and i wonder why the kite flying boom, busted.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2013, 12:22 AM »

Your logic is a bit flawed there. Kite flying was considered a fad for the most part. There are many reasons it lost popularity and believe it or not, lawsuits had no real impact on it. Similarly why kneeboarding lost out to wake boarding. Something new came along to get people's interest and fun money.

As for your line example, Shanti brought spectra into the kite realm with permission from NASA and iirc NASA made the fiber open to all makers in all types of line making. Shanti only patenting their braiding technique and coating which is why NASA ( and Dupont?) went to them in the first place. They had the best braiding system around.
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« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2013, 12:10 PM »

Question about Rev customs,
I see alot of sails that are FAR from Revs offerings, are these sails made by individuals? And if so to avoid Rev suing them do they have to pay a royalty?

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